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Re: The Anhalt family
« Reply #150 on: March 11, 2010, 03:02:56 PM »
I have gone and split the thread into a separate discussion involving citizenship, nationality and ethnicity. It is located in Their World and Culture. Since it was 3 pages by the time I split it, it was getting way out of hand and off topic.
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« Reply #151 on: March 11, 2010, 03:46:10 PM »
So was Marie Louise's divorce a big scandal at the time? I would love to know! :)
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« Reply #152 on: March 11, 2010, 04:12:49 PM »
It was certainly covered in lots of newspapers--the English speaking ones anyway. I don't know how the German ones covered it.
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Re: The Anhalt family
« Reply #153 on: March 13, 2010, 05:25:04 PM »
A little anecdote on a wifes "duties"
The last Duke of Anhalt-Bernburg, Duke Alexander Karl (1805-1863) was mentally and physically disabled, and therefore it was clear that he wasn't going to produce any children in his marriage to Princess Friederike of Glücksburg (1811-1902). The Duchies ministers didn't want to eventually be merged with Anhalt-Dessau, and told the Duchess that it was her duty, political duty, to let another do what was impossible for her husband to do. The Duchess refused, saying she would return home if they insisted.
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« Reply #154 on: March 13, 2010, 06:20:29 PM »
Great shocking info, kmerov! I really wonder how that piece of information became known to posterity!?
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« Reply #155 on: March 13, 2010, 08:22:07 PM »
Going by my memory the story was told within the Danish Royal Family who applauded her answer, and someone wrote the story down.   

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« Reply #156 on: March 13, 2010, 08:33:28 PM »
Going by my memory the story was told within the Danish Royal Family who applauded her answer, and someone wrote the story down.
Could it e.g. stem from Chamberlain Rørdam's memoirs, or are they too reverential for that sort of revelation?

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« Reply #157 on: March 13, 2010, 08:45:16 PM »
Good question, but I don't think it came from his (diary) memoirs, because I remember the story was told in connection to the bad marriage of the then Crown Prince Frederik (VII) and Crown Princess Mariane of Mecklenburg-Strelitz in the 1840-ies, and his books are from the 1890-ies.

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« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2010, 11:37:12 AM »
I don't know about the law of Anhalt in the 1890s, but, in any event under modern English law, non-commusation does not mean there is no marriage (as is the case with a bigamous marriage), it simply makes it voidable, i.e. one party can obtain an annulment if they wish.

Now, the 1890s is an interesting "End of Times" era in Anhaltinian law. On the 1st of January 1900 the new Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch, Civil Law Code, came into force in the whole German Empire and replaced all the older territorial law codes. Which in backwards Anhalt (and the Thuringian Duchies!) actually was the Sachsenspiegel, Saxon Mirror, from the early 13th century (augmentated by later decrees)! As far as I can see the Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch, which still is in force in Germany, takes a rather liberal, Protestant approach to marriage and divorce and does not busy itself with the archaïc issue of consumation versus non-consumation and only opens for annulments in extraordinary cases (like incest and bigamy). Very simplified it says that if one or both of the marriage partners can't stand each other and don't want to live together, they can apply for divorce. But it's harder to find out what the Sachsenspiegel, which Marie Louise and Aribert were subject to, has to say about the matter. Partly because it's written in medieval Low German!

Since Aribert's father dissolved the marriage as summus episcopus, if I remember correctly, ecclesiastical law might have played a part. Article 6 of the House Law of Anhalt(-Köthen) of 1811 does give the ruling Duke authority to dissolve, ipso jure outside a court of law, all marriages contracted by members of his house without his consent, By analogy it might also have come into play, although the house laws say nothing about consumation of marriage and divorce.

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« Reply #159 on: September 07, 2010, 12:07:31 PM »
Yes...legally speaking yes. However Mary Loo considered herself married to Aribert in the more religious format.

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« Reply #160 on: February 05, 2011, 04:57:10 AM »
Hi! I've got a question about this portrait:



I have seen it labeled as both Princess Frederica Wilhelmina of Prussia, wife of Leopold IV, Duke of Anhalt-Dessau and as her mother, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. To which does it really belong?  :)
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Re: The Anhalt family
« Reply #161 on: February 05, 2011, 07:13:46 AM »
It is Duchess von Anhalt ;-)

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« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2011, 11:55:31 AM »
Thank you!  :)
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Re: The Anhalt family
« Reply #163 on: May 03, 2011, 10:51:26 AM »
Frederick is at it again--apparently he and Zsa Zsa are going to have a baby. Ick.

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Sure, she’s 94, bedridden and—according to her husband Prince Frederic von Anhalt (shown here with Gabor in 1993)—can no longer talk. But before you waste your time getting all outraged, none of this is anybody’s business, as the petulant pop-to-be barked at Joy Behar this week in a televised interview. The couple wants a baby and they’re going to have one (via a surrogate, thank God), and they "don’t give a damn what people think about it."

Clearly, this is nuts, but is it even legal? Seeing as egg-harvesting didn’t even exist a half century ago when Zsa Zsa was last fertile, the baby wouldn’t be biologically hers. Surrogacy laws vary by state, but apparently in California she’d have to adopt the child once it is born, which would only work if she was still alive. In one of the endless news rants, CNN quotes a reproductive biologist who adds that in light of the circumstances Gabor would have to undergo psychological evaluation in order to be awarded legal custody, something in her condition she may not be capable of consenting to, no less passing.

When asked the obvious question about his limited time with his child, the hopeful baby-daddy retorted that after a dozen or so years, you can’t teach kids anymore because they “know everything already.” Which they may or may not forget in fifty years.



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« Reply #164 on: May 04, 2011, 10:56:48 AM »
Wasn't life better when nature took its course?  :-X
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