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King Louis XII
« on: November 14, 2005, 11:43:07 AM »
Who knows s.th. abt. Louis XII (1462-1514), King of France (1498-1514)?



Since 1506 he was known as "le Père du Peuple" ("the Father of the People"). Was he perhaps one of France's greatest kings?
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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2005, 11:57:43 AM »
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Who knows s.th. abt. Louis XII (1462-1514), King of France (1498-1514)?

Since 1506 he was known as "le Père du Peuple" ("the Father of the People"). Was he perhaps one of France's greatest kings?



He wasn't one of France's greatest kings - not really. More sort of middling to average, I would have thought!

He must have had something going for him to be called "Le Père du Peuple" after only eight years in office!

Interesting Trivia - his father married the widow of Richard II of England, whereas he married the sister of Henry VIII. Doesn't seem possible, does it?
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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2005, 02:11:10 PM »
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Interesting Trivia - his father married the widow of Richard II of England, whereas he married the sister of Henry VIII. Doesn't seem possible, does it?


Yes, seems impossible! The age difference must have been huge!
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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2005, 03:10:18 PM »
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Yes, seems impossible! The age difference must have been huge!



louis was a lot older than mary... i also think he was an old age child
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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 07:09:03 PM »
I can't recall who Louis's first wife was, but whoever she was, he divorced her to marry Anne of Brittany, who was the widow of his predecessor Charles.  There were rumors at the time that Louis and Anne had been lovers during Anne's marriage to Charles, but more likely Louis married Anne to retain possession of her duchy of Brittany, which otherwise would pass out of French control.  Anne and Louis had two daughters, Claude and Renee, but no sons.  Claude married Francois d'Angouleme, Louis's cousin and heir.  I don't remember who Renee married, but at one point she was considered as a possible bride for Henry VIII.  I think she was Wolsey's preferred candidate, but of course nothing came of it since Henry had already decided that Anne Boleyn would be wife no. 2.  

Supposedly Louis was absolutely besotted with Henry VIII's young sister Mary, his third wife.  She, however, wasn't too happy with the situation and made it her mission to exhaust Louis with an endless round of dancing and partying.  He died within months of marrying Mary, and she eloped with a handsome commoner, Charles Brandon, with whom she had been in love previously.  She continued to be known as the French Queen even after her marriage to Charles Brandon, and was the second lady at Henry VIII's court after Catherine of Aragon, the queen.  

The only other thing I can remember about Louis is that he didn't get along terribly well with Ferdinand of Aragon, which stands to reason given the traditional enmity between France and Aragon.  They did, however, come to a temporary understanding in 1505 or so, when Ferdinand was quarreling with his son in law Philip the Handsome over the throne of Castile.  Louis and Philip had been allies, but then when Philip cut a deal with Henry VII of England, Louis decided that Philip was getting altogether too big for his britches and formed an anti-Philip alliance with Ferdinand to keep the balance of power a little more, um, balanced.  Anyway, as part of the alliance Louis gave Ferdinand his kinswoman Germaine de Foix to be Ferdinand's second wife.   She was 18; Ferdinand was pushing 50 at the time.  Seems to have been a trend back in those days.    

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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 07:28:17 PM »
louis' first wife was joan of valois (she's a saint now), daughter of king louis xi. she apparently was a hunchback (i believe) and louis despised her. it was an arranged marriage.

when he inherited the throne of france, his predecessor, charles viii left it written in his last will that his successor must marry anne of brittanny to keep brittanny in the family. since louis didn't like his marriage to joan much, he didn't have a hard time annulling the marriage (he made a deal with pope alexander vi, also known as pope borgia, father of lucrezia and cesare... through which louis got his annullment while cesare borgia was to marry charlotte d'albert, a french noblewoman, and be turned into a french duke). whether or not there were feelings between louis and anne i don't know, but the marriage had to happen.
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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2006, 07:47:56 PM »
I believe that Louis and Anne were devoted to each other.  They were Franciscan tertiaries and he had the Chateau de Blois along the Loire remodelled to suit her tastes. Their sarcophagus at Saint-Denis is really magnificent, showing them at prayer and then sculpted as they both looked at the moment of their respective deaths. Their daughter Claude married Francis I and was the mother of Henry II.

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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2006, 01:43:54 PM »
I've got the death mask of  Jeanne de France :'(


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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2006, 01:45:21 PM »
Anne de Bretagne






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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2006, 01:47:01 PM »
And himself, Louis XII :)




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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2006, 01:55:30 PM »
His first daughter Claude, Duchesse de Bretagne et de Berry (1499-1524), from 1514 queen of Fransois I

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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2006, 01:59:21 PM »
His second daughter  Renee duchesse de Chartres (1509-75), married in 1527 Ercole II d'Este, Duke of Ferrars & Modena


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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2006, 02:17:09 PM »
His second wife was Mary Tudor, who was Henry VIII favorite sister, she was said to be very beautiful with reddish hair, she made a deal with her brother before marrying the old Louis XII. She would marry the old king, but if by any chance she would become a widow (which was almost certain) she could marry the man she loved. Henry VIII kept his promise and after a short time after she married the Duke of Suffolk.
  I have read that Louis XII died a couple of month after his mariage out of exaustement, since he tried his best to dande, go to huntings, he did not want to look or act as an old man in front of his young bride.

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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2006, 02:23:12 PM »
I'm afraid that Marie Tudor was his third wife, from 1514


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Re: King Louis XII
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2006, 02:43:17 PM »


Mary Tudor