The House of Braganca restored?!!!!

[Eric_Lowe]

I think we are talking about a modern democratic monarch rile by a constitution. right ?  

[ilyala]

i don't think any other kind of monarchy would work nowadays

[QueenEna1887]

I don't care what anyone else thinks I'm still routing for the Portuguese royal family to be a monarch again!!!! I hope in the future a descendant of Queen Victoria or Christian IX marries into the family and makes a good Queen, for instance maybe the daughters of Infantas Elena and Cristina. If little Leonor doesn't get the chance become Queen of Spain by law, maybe Queen of Portugal. I do know that Queen Victoria's granddaughter Patricia of Connaught was a good candidate to be Queen of Portugal.

[Eric_Lowe]

I share your dreams for a resoration of the monarchy in Portugal, however realistically it still has a lot of hurdles to go through before this can be realised. I have to say not in the distant future. Leanor as Queen of Portugal, I think we are jumping way ahead of us...

[David_Pritchard]

The present Portuguese constitution would have to be amended to allow for a restoration of the monarchy, as it now specifies that only a republican form of government can exist.

David

[Bernardino]

 Knowing the Portuguese...If the media thought it was a good idea...than Portugal would become a monarchy again...

I'm not saying there is a lack of judgement but the power of the media is enormous...

I'm quite certain that if, let's say in 20 years, the Spanish Royal Family is as prestigiated as today in Portugal, a marriage between Leonor and Prince of Beira would mean a Restoration...Trust my words...

I would appreciate it very much...

Dynastically, I would prefer a marriage with other royal descendants...especially those of Romania...They've Portuguese ancestors but they are wonderfully connected to the Royal Houses, Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant...And they have 'fresh blood' also, which is good...

But politically Leonor would be the best...

Oh well...I'm just dreaming...

[Bravo_d_El_Rei]

I must, first of all, congatulate the builders and maintaineurs of this magnificent site, for all its contents.    
  As a passionate for history, portuguese loyal monarchic and interested for the Romanov's dinasty, has been a delight to discover and to enjoy it.
  About the Portuguese's Monarchy restauration, only with S.A.R. D. Duarte Pio, the Duke of Bragança have been solved the crucial problem of the legitimacy of sucession, for D. Miguel I's abdication, after his defeat in the civil war, in his name and all his direct bloodline, to the portuguese throne.
  This until D. Duarte Nuno ( grandson of D. Miguel I and father of D. Duarte Pio), maried a brasilian Alcântara descendent and, by that way, uniting the bloodlines of the two enemy brothers ( D. Miguel I and D. Pedro IV - Emperor Pedro I of the Brasil), made all-legitimate his elder son's pretentions to the portuguese throne.
  It may seem a minor question, but it teaches a lot about the value of a word of honour given, specially in the case of a royal word... the Portuguese Monarchy could not be restored based on lies...
  Now that problem is solved, the only doubt is: does the Portuguese people really wish Portugal to be a real again?

[Bravo_d_El_Rei]

Well, there really was a monarchic law called "Lei da Proscrição", kept in the subsequent Republics (I and II), for what any member of D. Miguel I's bloodline found within Portugal's borders were to be killed. That law wasn't abolished but in 1953 - D. Duarte Pio was 8 by then, year that the Portuguese Royal Family was, again, allowed to enter the country. And, acoording to my knowledge, quite warmly welcomed by the people (at least the ruled, not the rulers).
  There is a perplexing paradox with the Portuguese Republic: unlike others where the deposed royal families are not welcome and despised if not hated, in Portugal the Bragança family is cared for, loved by much of the people and sympathetic to much of the rest. Although D. Duarte Pio does not yet enjoy the full respect due to his position, the fact is that even the republican governement of the country often invites him to participate and co-operate in several matters.
  Portugal it's now preparing for choosing the next president of the republic, next January... the way the candidates fight each other for the job, in the most disrespectfull manner, it's shaming the country for shaming the position of highest magistrate of the nation... a nation fatherless for 95 years now... Fatherless and prideless!
 

[QueenEna1887]

From what I read Don Duarte has many supporters of him ascending the throne.

[Grand_Duke]

Although D. Duarte Pio does not yet enjoy the full respect due to his position, the fact is that even the republican governement of the country often invites him to participate and co-operate in several matters.

If my memory doesn't fails me, some years ago there was a polemic about Portuguese protocol rules.
By protocol rules the 1st person in Portugal to be presented is the President who is followed by the Parliament President, the Parliament Vice-President, the Prime-Minister and the Government.
Someone wanted to put the Duke of Braganza as the 4th person to be presented, before the PM and Government! But they didn't managed. I think the Duke is presented after the Government.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Bernardino]

Hello Happy New Year  


I know nothing about that protocle problem...but I think that the Portuguese government has behaved with much indecency on one special occasion towards Dom Duarte...Do you remember the independence of East Timor?

For years and years, HRH the Duke was the single voice to call attention to the problem...other politians (so said democrats) though knowing the facts only took actions when the media started to be interested...politians made a calculation of their gains and 'oh let's save Timor'...

When Timorese got their independence, the good democrat Portuguese politians all went to Dili to stay in the photos, but told Dom Duarte that they're sorry because they had no space for him on the plane... ...it just makes me angry   ...

[Callasboy]

Greetings everyone,

What a pleasant surprise to find a discussion group such as this. Very refreshing indeed.

The issue of the re establishment of the Monarchy in Portugal is a problematic one. Despite the fact that the Republic was forced upon the Portuguese people by a minority, and that ever since the prestige of Portugal as a nation, not to mention as an imperial power, has been in constant decline, a passive and fearful attitude has established itself. This passivity, rooted in ignorance and fear, seems to have become a synonym of the Portuguese way of life.

There have been several attempts to start a movement to promote the monarchy in Portugal. Unfortunately very little has been accomplished, apart from the pampering of massive egos.

Despite living in the hope of one day seeing the throne of Portugal once again occupied, I can't imagine that being accomplished by HRH D. Duarte Nuno. There is a certain degree of popular curiosity about him, but not enough to generate the necessary impact for the overthrowing of the Republic. I don't find him the most charismatic of individuals either, and unlike King Juan Carlos, he lacks the necessary grooming and international exposure to govern, even in the context of a constitutional monarchy.

I'm very much looking forward to receiving your feed back.

[oscarwilde]

Another pipe dream...the Duke of Bragança is very much liked and holds a position of great distinction in Portugal.  That being said, there is no real movement for a restoration of the monarchy in his country.  He is quite well aware of this and discussed so with me in Portugal when I went to visit him at his invitation in 2003.

Arturo Beéche

Was a pipe dream the fall of communism in Russia? Did you imagine in the early eighties the Double Eagle and the Tsarist Flag as Russian symbols? Let's be more open to possibilities here. If someone has the gift of seeing the future, well, that's something else

In politics and love there is no sure thing. By the way, Arturo, next time you get invited to the White House for a special interview could you ask Mr. Bush who is going to be the next president? or maybe you already know that too.....

[Bernardino]

It would be easy for the Portuguese to love a national Royal Family in power...but the restauration would be considerably difficulted by some extreme-left politians whom swet hate from every little cell on their perfid skin ...  

This week there was a TV show where the Presidential elections were discussed and the Monarchy question was once again brought up...imagine one of the leftist participants said it would be returning to Pre-History...the other one replied/asked him: 'So Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Denmark, etc, still live in Pre-History?'...He had no answer...

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