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« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2005, 02:45:45 PM »
Unlike his brother, D. Luis took no time in producing
a heir.
Married in Oct., 6, 1862, on Sept, 28,1863 he had his first son, the future king D. Carlos.
In 1865 followed Infante D. Afonso.
But on this site:

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/braganza/braganza3.htm

For the first time I found a third son b.and d. in 1866.
And for my greatest surprise they called him D. Miguel  !!!

Could this be true ?
Every history book or good site refers all D. Maria II's children who were b. and d. on the same day.
They also refer D. Carlos' little daughter, but I never have heard of this 3 rd child of D.Luis and D. Maria Pia.

And calling him Miguel is even stranger...

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« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2005, 02:53:20 PM »
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For the first time I found a third son b.and d. in 1866.
And for my greatest surprise they called him D. Miguel  !!!

Could this be true ?
Every history book or good site refers all D. Maria II's children who were b. and d. on the same day.
They also refer D. Carlos' little daughter, but I never have heard of this 3 rd child of D.Luis and D. Maria Pia.

And calling him Miguel is even stranger...




This son is listed as stillborn (with no name) in an edition of the Europäische Stammtafeln. I don't have the book handy, so I can't tell which edition it is, but probably one of the older ones. Stillborn children are often omitted in genealogical tables. I think that's sad.  :-/

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« Reply #47 on: January 01, 2006, 02:33:07 PM »
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This son is listed as stillborn (with no name) in an edition of the Europäische Stammtafeln. I don't have the book handy, so I can't tell which edition it is, but probably one of the older ones. Stillborn children are often omitted in genealogical tables. I think that's sad.  :-/


I think it is strange that they would have named him Miguel.
A not very popular name for the Bragança-Saxe-Coburgs

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« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2006, 02:59:35 PM »
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I think it is strange that they would have named him Miguel.
A not very popular name for the Bragança-Saxe-Coburgs



I agree with you :), it's very strange, knowing the tensions between the two Bragança branches. Actually, the only time I have seen this child with a name is on the link you provided previously. If I remember correctly (and I haven't got the book here, so I can't check, but I'm still 99,99% sure) the child is only listed as Sohn, totgeboren (which simply means stillborn son) in the Europäische Stammtafeln.
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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2006, 01:04:08 PM »
Pretty girl Stephania was..Not a beauty but very sweet Queen. :)

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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2006, 04:40:01 PM »
Pedro (1837-61) became King in 1853. There was some talk of his marrying Pcess Charlotte of Belgium. He apparently made the journey once or twice to Belgium to see her. Charlotte's father King Leopold & her first cousin Queen Victoria were very much in favour of the match but Charlotte turned him down (it seems that she favoured the plan first before meeting Archduke Max with whom she fell madly in love. Her governess also influenced her against Pedro telling her,God knows why, that Portugal was a backward country peopled by monkeys !). Pcess Stephanie of Hohenzollern Sigmaringen was finally chosen as a bride (Albert,Pce Consort of Great Britain, who was much attached to Pedro, apparently had a say in the matter). A marriage par procuration took place in Berlin in 1858 before Stephanie sailed to meet her future husband. She travelled to Portugal via England where she spent a few days. Queen Victoria was delighted with her and sang her praises in her letters to her daughter Vicky (I will copy & post what she says as soon as I have time). Pedro & Stephanie were officially married in Lisbon. It seems that they did fancy each other and that their brief married life was happy. Unfortunately Stephanie died of typhoid fever on July 17 1859, 14 months only after the wedding. King Pedro was devastated. In 1861 Pedro & his 2 youngest brothers Augusto & Fernando went to hunt in Vila Viçosa when Fernando fell ill (apparently also of typhoid fever). The young prince died on november 6. King Pedro, who never left his brother's bedside, was contaminated and died 5 days after Fernando. His death came as a blow to the whole Coburg family, especially to Pce Albert who loved him almost as a son (and no doubt considered him worthier than his own son Bertie). Another of Pedro's brother, Pce Joao, also died of the same fever a few weeks later. The royal family of Portugal consequently lost 3 princes within 2 months.
It was Prince Luis succeeded his brother as Pedro & Stephanie's marriage was childless. He was married to Pcess Maria Pia of Savoy and they had 2 sons Carlos & Afonso.

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2006, 04:48:28 PM »
Queen Stephanie died of diphteria.
D.Pedro and his brothers died of typhoid fever.

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« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2006, 08:48:18 AM »
The untimely death of King Pedro V is perhaps one of the most tragic events to befall the House of Braganza in the XIXth century.  He was, of the sons of Maria da Gloria, the one who was best prepared to take Portugal in a new direction.  The rest of the Coburg clan saw in him a natural leader, the new liberal monarch who would conduct his country through the path towards true constitutional government.

Alas, his death put an end to all these hopes.  Dom Luiz was a nice monarch, but not prepared for the task at hand. Dom Carlos was a veritable disaster as a ruler. Dom Manoel, however nice he was, lacked the mettle to be an effective monarch and perhaps would have been much better wearing the cloth than the crown.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2006, 10:04:17 AM »
I don't like to contradict for the sake of contradicting, but I recently read that Pedro V's character isn't all that admirable. Perhaps he did his best in a poverty-striken country which he had to rule, but the romantic figure that ahs arrived to us comes mainly through the view Prince Albert had of his cousin. All in all, Pedro's character was, objectively, fairly avergae and mediocre, but of course the fact that he died young and lost his apparently charming wife so soon after marriage adds to the romantic, tragic image of the Braganza's.

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« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2006, 10:55:10 AM »
The untimely death of King Pedro V is perhaps one of the most tragic events to befall the House of Braganza in the XIXth century.  He was, of the sons of Maria da Gloria, the one who was best prepared to take Portugal in a new direction.  The rest of the Coburg clan saw in him a natural leader, the new liberal monarch who would conduct his country through the path towards true constitutional government.

Alas, his death put an end to all these hopes.  Dom Luiz was a nice monarch, but not prepared for the task at hand. Dom Carlos was a veritable disaster as a ruler. Dom Manoel, however nice he was, lacked the mettle to be an effective monarch and perhaps would have been much better wearing the cloth than the crown.

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The image of D.Pedro V has been "romanticized" due to his early death, the early death of his wife Queen Stephanie, the fact that he lost his Mother so young, etc.
He had nothing of a liberal monarch.
He acted as so, as well as he had to or as far as he intended to.
As a matter of fact he loathed the parliamentary regime which he felt was infested with corrupt and incompetent politicians (well, who does not share his views ? ;D ;D ;D )

He had difficult relations with his PM, including his grand uncle the old duke of Loulé and he often spoke bluntly his ideas to the despair of the politicians.
His political ideas are well described in his correspondence to Prince Albert.
Don't know if the book is translated to english.
You would be surprised with his "liberal" thoughts...

http://genealogia.netopia.pt/livraria/livro.php?id=185

D.Luis was the ideal constitutional monarch.
A bit of a George V avant la lettre.
Conscient of his not very big capacities he just left the limelight to the politicians and sanctionned all they did as a model constitutional king.
You are certainly aware that once a Prime-Minister made a coup d'état and dissolved parliament and began to rule as a dictator.
He went to the Palace and presented the fait-accomplis to the king.
Queen D.Maria Pia entered in the room and the PM turn to her to kiss her hand.
She stared him in the eyes and just said: "If I were the King, I would have you shot immediately" and left the room.

I do not agree that D.Carlos was a disaster as a ruler.
As a constitutional king, he grabbed what he could not to live his father's idle life, that is, the foreign affairs.
Some say he would be a better Foreign Office Secretary than a King.
But as a king he had no particular role in the internal affairs.
Not as anti-parliamentar as his uncle D.Pedro V, at a point he realised that the Parliament did not work nor did it leave the government rule and at the suggestion of the PM he agreeded on suspending the Cortes, giving the PM carte blanche.
That was his major fault, but he genuinely acted on good faith realising the country was paralised .
And he had to cope with a growing republican movement who took advantage of the division between the monarchic parties.

D.Manuel II 's reign was doomed since the beginning.
His Father had been coaching his brother, the Crown-Prince D.Luis Felipe, who might have been a pretty good king, but the there was the Regicide and he was forced to step on his brother's shoes.
The country was ungovernable, he had no political experience or influence whatsoever and a minor coup ended almost 700 years of Monarchy.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2006, 10:59:19 AM »
Pedro's character was, objectively, fairly avergae and mediocre,

What makes you say his character was average and mediocre ?
He was intelligent, very well prepared for his task, and generally he was one step ahead of the politicians who naturally didn't think too much of the king.
He had a sombre character, and he often became melancholic.
The tragic death of his wife didn't help.

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Re: King Pedro V & Queen Stephanie (Estefania) of Portugal
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2008, 02:23:45 PM »
Were the two closely related? Through Pedro's paternal family perhaps?

The most recent common ancestor was through King Pedro V's maternal line. King Pedro V and Queen Stephanie would be 7th cousins through their most recent common ancestors, Georg II, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt (born 17 March 1605 in Darmstadt; died 11 June 1661 in Darmstadt) and his wife Sophia Eleonore of Saxony (born November 23, 1609 in Dresden; died 2 June 1671 in Darmstadt).

Georg II, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt → Elisabeth Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt → Maria Sofia of the Palatinate → João V of Portugal → Pedro III of Portugal → João VI of Portugal → Pedro I of Brazil → Maria II of Portugal → Pedro V of Portugal
 
Georg II, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt → Ludwig VI, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt → Ernst Ludwig, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt → Ludwig VIII, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt → Ludwig IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt → Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt → Karl, Grand Duke of Baden → Josephine of Baden → Stephanie of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen

 

CAPTION: GEORG II, LANDGRAVE OF HESSE-DARMSTADT


Just wondering, but what if any dealing did either King Pedro V or Queen Stephanie had during their lifetime with members of the Romanov dynasty?

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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2008, 02:49:12 PM »
Not much...through the German connection most likely...the link with Russia.

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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2008, 06:40:30 PM »
At the very least, who represent the Portuguese king at the coronation of Czar Alexander II in 1855 and who represent the Russian Emperor at King Pedro V's coronation in 1851?

I personally never much of anything between the Kingdom of Portugal and the Russian Empire until the Revolution of October 5 1910 in Portugal and also Czar Nicholas II reaction to that revolution since he was obviously aware of it. Also anecdotes about any interaction between the various members of the Houses of Braganza and the Romanov.
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« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2009, 05:16:24 PM »
One of the rarest photos of Portugal' kings I have ever seen is this one:
It shows King Pedro V and his brother Prince Luiz (future King Luiz I) in England in the early 1850's with Queen Victoria (back towards the camera).
King Pedro was the most beloved of all Portuguese Kings. His qualities matched those of a much older man and he was prepared like no other for the duties of throne. He was called «the most beloved» and was the prototype of the Constitutional king. Queen Victoria and especially Prince Albert of Great Britain engaged a very interesting correspondence with King Pedro. They were brokenhearted by his death in 1861.