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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2006, 11:08:30 AM »
Wearing corsets was not done in Western society to induce pain or for men to assert dominance (as has been pointed out, men actually wore them sometimes themselves) but to produce a certain fashionable shape which could not be attained any other way.  Really well-made corsets were hand-made for the wearer and fitted without pinching or hurting, and tight lacing was disapproved of (although happened if the wearer wanted to be thinner).  For real fatties, like Mary of Teck, they gave a shape if not slimmness, as has already been mentioned.  Although much has been written about extremes of tight lacing for fashion, and things like removal of ribs, there does not appear to be any genuine evidence for this.  Maud of Norway, who had a really tiny waist, seems to have produced this just by having a very petite figure, which stayed with her all her life.  What the corset did achieve for less inately slim women, was pushing most of the flesh down to the hips or up to the bust - redistributing it rather than eliminating it.  Hence the really sad look of grand Edwardian ladies when the 1920s demanded genuine slimness - they then paid for all their heavy eating which had been concealed by a corset and all their flowing draperies which gave them a smallish waist, a large bust and large hips -  to Edward VII the perfect figure.  His former mistresses Daisy Warwick and Mrs Kepple, for example, looked sadly lumpish and not at all elegant once their heyday had vanished and their hour-glass, corset-produced figures were no longer fashionable.

Just a note - Japanese women did not bind their feet, and in fact neither did Manchu women - the last Empress of China was extremely proud of her tiny feet, produced by nature and not by binding.

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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2006, 11:33:27 AM »
It is true that corsets were more a fashionable thing than anything to do with male dominance. They were the fashion of the day, and in every age people do absurd things for beauty, don't they? Foot binding was just another, and breast implants are another. Silly, but they were felt to be necesscary in some ages. Certainly corsets were not totally bad, as most things have their good and bad aspects corsets included.

It is true that people who has such great waists,  figures then, with a corset suffered in  the '20s in terms of beauty. They got overly used to the beauty of on age, and didn't move into another age in beauty terms. Great analysis of that, I loved reading that! I rather admire the figure corsets produced, although I catch myself knowing I might not have wanted to wear them! Like any beauty trend, sometimes people took this to extremes.
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2006, 07:27:28 AM »
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To them it was erotic to that women had small foot(and to having small foot they did violence)!


That bound feet is called lotus feet, according to chinese tradition, a girl age of six will have her feet bind and wears a small shoes.



That's what their bare feet looks. It's really awfull, their bones will be deformed because of that. :-/

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Like any beauty trend, sometimes people took this to extremes.


I agree with you, they'll do anything as long as they look good even that would put them in danger.
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2006, 08:31:45 AM »
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That bound feet is called lotus feet, according to chinese tradition, a girl age of six will have her feet bind and wears a small shoes.



That's what their bare feet looks. It's really awfull, their bones will be deformed because of that. :-/


I agree with you, they'll do anything as long as they look good even that would put them in danger.

I always thought that they smallered their foot in China and Japan but is this the real fact? Did the non-royal people small tehir foot... ? Oh I cannot wait that I am abel to have lessons about chine and japans cultur next year!!

About the corsetes did women wear them when they sleep? I do not think so but I'm not sure. I find it pretty dificult to sleep with that...


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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2006, 08:51:20 AM »
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I always thought that they smallered their foot in China and Japan but is this the real fact? Did the non-royal people small tehir foot... ? Oh I cannot wait that I am abel to have lessons about chine and japans cultur next year!!


It's a Chinese tradition. Yes, even the commoners do that, I think that's their parents that makes them have that. But now, I think this is an extinct tradition or something like that, only few does that anymore.
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2006, 11:29:28 AM »
We nowadays have a warped sense of corsets.  
Let me begin by saying that it is NOT a good idea to get a corset off a shop shelf.  It is advisable to have one custom made according to your own personal dimensions.  IF it is custom made, there is no problem with discomfort as it fits the body contours exactly.  When you pull in the laces, it molds the body accordingly.  Anyone who knows about so-called "tightlacing" will know that it is not a sudden reduction of 6"-8", but a gradual build-up to it.  In other words, you start off by reducing the waist by say three inches.  You wear the corset like that for say 3 months, about 16 hours or more per day.  The body gets accustomed to it, and you then reduce a further inch or so.  In that way you GRADUALLY work the size of the waist down to an hour glass figure over the course of a year or two.  :)
You would want to die from discomfort if you were to suddenly try to reduce drastically by doing some tightlacing. ;D
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2006, 08:39:57 AM »
You can compare chinese footbinding and corsetry as two beauty customs that have gone by, which perhaps is just as well. But it seems that corsets were not wholly bad, while footbinding defintely was. It is true that we could have a warped sense of corsets today, given that they are gone almost entirely. It's hard not to have a warped sense of something you have no experience of, and that looks rather horrifying to modern sensibilities in old photos. Of course the truth can be rather different. Thanks for the info pers!
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2006, 09:42:46 AM »
You're welcome. :)  Many people today still wear corsets, and unless you know someone, you won't have a clue as to the real deal.  My own grandmother wore corsets right into very old age.  She was well into her 90's when she died in 1999.

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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2006, 10:08:35 AM »
That's true. If you have no experience of something, it is hard to say how it really is. So often things like corsets or footbinding can get lost in stereotypes.

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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2006, 10:16:23 AM »
I found it pretty odd that the non-royal person(is peasantry the rigth word for it? :P ) did the food-thing couse they had to doo WORK and it was not that easy whit such food.. I mean they could not even walk well with those.. :S

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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2006, 12:50:34 PM »
For those of you interested in contemporary modern day tightlacing and corsetry, see www.waspcreations.com  ;) :o ;D

It is quite an eye-opener and contains a wealth of information on corsetry without all the fluff!
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2006, 04:32:49 AM »
I've seen many corsets still being sold at Victorias Secret and "gothic" stores such as Hot Topic.
Of course, these days, all the corsets arent so covered and lfrilly, more like barely-there and lacy!  :P
Has anyone here actually worn one? Oh wait, I beleive Tsar Doug has.  ;)
I have, well, I've tried...
Of course, I didnt wound it up too tight, I know of the consequences, but I did love the way it trimmed my figure (not that it needs much trimming...yet..) . I had more confidence with the corset, definitely. It was uncomfortable though; even after not lacing it too tight, I still couldnt breathe and had pain at my sides when i took it off.
Btw, it was for Halloween.  :)
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2006, 10:30:44 AM »
Did you get the lacy/barely there type or the real thing that is sturdy, that can even transform Mary of Teck (that is fat Mary)? ;D
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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2006, 06:00:41 PM »
In a book I read many years ago, and I can't recall the title, Chinese footbinding was considered part of the sexual experience.

It had something to do with how the shape of the arch was changed and what could be done with it.  (I am trying to be delicate here.)   :-[

Small feet were considered to be the sign of beauty and high birth.  Because it is true that the peasants couldn't work the fields with bound feet.  Women of the royal house could barely walk and often had to be carried.

When I was younger, I recall a shop called The Princess Corset Shop in our local town.  Of course its gone now.

And another thing I muse about, the tanks and shorts that we go about in today would have been considered "undergarments" 100 years ago and we would have been causing a scandel by going out in public in our underwear!

And as for corsets for men, when I see a large exposed "beer" belly on a man in shorts and a tank, I often wish that corsets for men were still in vogue.  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: The cause of fainting spells--CORSETS!
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2006, 07:03:17 PM »
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Did you get the lacy/barely there type or the real thing that is sturdy, that can even transform Mary of Teck (that is fat Mary)? ;D


haha Well, I got a reproduction from a catolgue of Victorian goods, so I guess it was as sturdy as it can get with materials from today...
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