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Younger sons of James III
« on: November 26, 2005, 06:03:21 AM »
Hi everyone. As well as the future James IV, James III and Margaret of Denmark had two younger sons, James Stewart, Duke of Ross (1476-1504) and John Stewart, Earl of Mar (1480-1503).

I'd like to know more of these two. Why did they never marry? Did they have any impact on Scottish politics? Where they loyal supporters of their brother and, later, nephew? Anyone know anything at all about them?
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 06:22:45 AM »
I don't know much about these two either. They don't appear to have been troublemakers, like James III's brothers.

They died before their brother, so weren't around for James V.

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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2005, 06:32:08 AM »
Was one of them a cleric or something?
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2005, 06:36:53 AM »
Yes, the Duke of Ross was Archbishop of St Andrews and primate of Scotland! After his death James IV arranged for his own sixteen year old (illegitimate) son Alexander Stewart to be Archbishop instead.

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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2005, 07:00:48 AM »
John Macdonald was stripped of the Earldom of Ross, which was then annexed to the crown and bestowed upon James' 2nd son.
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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2005, 08:33:15 AM »
james 3rd had two sons named james? didn't that create confusion?  ???

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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2005, 09:02:11 AM »
Good job the third son was named John ;D
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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2005, 09:21:54 AM »
imagine margaret and her servants: 'please call james for me, will you?' 'will that be your husband, your older or your younger son, madame?'

tsk tsk, what a lack of imagination...   ::)

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2005, 09:32:56 AM »
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imagine margaret and her servants: 'please call james for me, will you?' 'will that be your husband, your older or your younger son, madame?'

tsk tsk, what a lack of imagination...   ::)


Being Scotland they would be Jim and Jimmy.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2005, 09:42:18 AM »
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Being Scotland they would be Jim and Jimmy.



LOL and old james  :D

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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2005, 11:28:30 AM »
Well, I'm sure Margaret would have said 'Tell the King my husband I would see him' etc.  ;D But it's nice to think of the family of James, Meg, Jimmy, Jamie and Johnny.  ;D ;D
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Re: Younger sons of James III
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2005, 12:02:13 PM »
Sounds a bit like the "Waltons" to me ;)
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2005, 01:24:27 PM »
It would be "big Jimmy" and "wee Jimmy". :)
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2005, 03:11:47 AM »
and let's not forget 'papa jimmy'  8)

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2005, 05:34:52 AM »
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and let's not forget 'papa jimmy'  8)


He would be known as "Paw Stewart". His wife would be "Maw". :D