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Marie Auguste von Anhalt remarried in 1926 with Johannes Michael, freiherr von Loen (1902 - ??)
Divorce in 1935. Her urn is buried in the Südwestfriedhof, Essen.

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I've gotten a lot of images of the princesses when I've bought in bulk (fishing around for images of Cecile & Victoria Louise!). I'll try to find some good ones to scan.

1. I think I read somewhere that Sophie of Oldenberg wasn't that popular within the family--sort of a cold personality. I don't know if EF was gay or not but he was a more ebullient personality than his wife.

2. Adi was sister to Prince Leopold of Albany's only son, Charles Edward (who became Duke of Coburg on the death of his uncle Alfred). She was friendly with Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen (Charly's daughter) and is also believed to have perhaps had porphyria as well. I'll have to look at Purple Secret again. Adalbert seems to have been the nicest (and best looking) of the sons. He was also the only one (besides Joachim who was dead by then) not to become embroiled in any way with the Nazi party. He took the title Count Lingen and went to live in Switzerland. Her sister Feodore is discussed on another thread here.

3. Alexandra Victoria was definitely on par with Cecile in style, etc...

4. Ina was a lady-in-waiting to Empress 'Dona' and I think it was Victoria Louise who got her father to allow the marriage between Ina & Oskar.

5. Marie-Louise has a tie to Zsa Zsa Gabor. ML 'adopted' a young man who now calls himself Prince Frederick of Anhalt and is married to ZsaZsa.  ZsaZsa sometimes refers to herself in print as Princess Zsa Zsa of Anhalt.
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 "I don't know if EF was gay or not but he was a more ebullient personality than his wife."

Most definitely gay -- chased men with the same enthusiasm that his older brother had for chasing the ladies.

" Marie-Louise has a tie to Zsa Zsa Gabor. ML 'adopted' a young man who now calls himself Prince Frederick of Anhalt and is married to ZsaZsa.  ZsaZsa sometimes refers to herself in print as Princess Zsa Zsa of Anhalt."[/quote]
Her name was Marie=Auguste.  Robert Lichtenberg was not a young man at the time of the adoption.  He paid her (as did others) to be "adopted' in order to have a surname Prinz von Anhalt.   Marie Auguste needed money, and this has been a way for impoverished aristocrats to earn cash ..
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Here's some of what Purple Secret has to say about Adi (I'm paraphrasing):

Adi and her sister Feo (not to be confused with their cousin and friend Feo) gave 'concern at an early age'. Both girls developed severe back problems while in their early teens and while no abnormality was found in the length of the bones they still had to undergo physical therapy. Two years later it was their mental health which became the bigger concernd. Feo made 'terrible scenes' of shouting and crying which could last all day and as bad as that was, their father was even more worried about Adi who was 'more emotional still' than her sister. The two sisters were devoted to each other but these scenes eventually took a toll on their relationship with their parentsand their physical development worsened at the onset of puberty. Their family doctor believe that with exercise, fresh air and the right treatment the physical problems could be overcome. It was his belief that Adi at least had simply grown too fast. Feo was sent to spend time with her grandfather and his second, morganatic, wife and continued to suffer physical problems. Adi meanwhile was sent to the Bavarian Alps since she was at the 'stage of rapid development, more than Feo' their father wrote. Her family was also worried by more symptoms: horrible eczema on her head and the roots of her hair becoming diseased. For this the doctor recommended peat baths yearly on 'account of her weak mucous membranes'. She also took a turn visiting her grandfather and her step-grandmother had their doctor take a look at Adi who apparently gave a rather disturbing diagnosis which 'really shocked' her parents who nonetheless hoped it was something that could still be outgrown. Feo was developing a stomach disorder and body sensitivity. In 1911, Adi was sent for a massage cure in Hanover that her mother hoped would alleviate her 'flatulance & colic pains'. Somewhere along the line she must've met Prince Adalbert who in 1914 began writing passionate letters declaring her love for her first to her step-grandmother and then Adi herself. Adi must've returned his feelings because she rushed to Wilhelmshaven where Adalbert was serving and married in August 1914 as the war was beginning. In 1916 she began to complain of feeling sick and very weak which the doctor attributed to anemia and recommended fresh air. The condition worsened however to a serious inflammation of the kidneys accompanied by a high temperature. Adalbert was very worried about her, as was Dona, and both asked to be kept apprised of her condition daily and Adalbert  sent his own doctor from Wilhelmshaven. She was given various cures and while her fever decreased, she was still pale and dizzy and weak. Adalbert was hopeful that with the new cure her anemia 'could be treated more successfully!'. During a cure at Bad Neuenahr near Bonn she seemed be recovering somewhat, receiving daily arsenic injections for her dermatological problems and gaining some strength back. Soon however her complaints were back and she was becoming frustrated at the continuous diagnosis of severe anemia and abdominal pains which nothing seemed to alleviate. She would suffer an attack of fever so severe that Adalbert was summoned from his duties. Her health from late 1916 seemed to improve. Not much is known of her health from 1918 (with the death of her step-grandmother the correspondence that track a lot of her problems ended). Adi survived her husband by several decades, finally dying at 80, alone Villa Mandragore on the shores of Lake Geneva in 1971. The notice placed by her children in the papers gave only a faint hint of her decades of physical struggle saying that she died 'apres une maladie courageusement supportee'. Family members today believe she suffered from porphyria.
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Her name was Marie=Auguste.  Robert Lichtenberg was not a young man at the time of the adoption.  He paid her (as did others) to be "adopted' in order to have a surname Prinz von Anhalt.   Marie Auguste needed money, and this has been a way for impoverished aristocrats to earn cash ..


Thanks for the clarification. I didn't have any info in front of me and was going by what I could remember from the tabloids which refer to the Prince of Anhalt and his wife, Princess Zsa Zsa.  Probably only Zsa Zsa could claim links between Kaiser Wilhelm and Liz Taylor.  ::)
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Thanks for the clarification. I didn't have any info in front of me and was going by what I could remember from the tabloids which refer to the Prince of Anhalt and his wife, Princess Zsa Zsa.  Probably only Zsa Zsa could claim links between Kaiser Wilhelm and Liz Taylor.  ::)[/quote]

He can call himself a prince, but all he bought was a surname .  He is certainly not recognized as a member of the Anhalt family.  Marie Auguste did a fair number of these adoptions.
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I've gotten a lot of images of the princesses when I've bought in bulk (fishing around for images of Cecile & Victoria Louise!). I'll try to find some good ones to scan.

1. I think I read somewhere that Sophie of Oldenberg wasn't that popular within the family--sort of a cold personality. I don't know if EF was gay or not but he was a more ebullient personality than his wife.

2. Adi was sister to Prince Leopold of Albany's only son, Charles Edward (who became Duke of Coburg on the death of his uncle Alfred). She was friendly with Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen (Charly's daughter) and is also believed to have perhaps had porphyria as well. I'll have to look at Purple Secret again. Adalbert seems to have been the nicest (and best looking) of the sons. He was also the only one (besides Joachim who was dead by then) not to become embroiled in any way with the Nazi party. He took the title Count Lingen and went to live in Switzerland. Her sister Feodore is discussed on another thread here.

3. Alexandra Victoria was definitely on par with Cecile in style, etc...

4. Ina was a lady-in-waiting to Empress 'Dona' and I think it was Victoria Louise who got her father to allow the marriage between Ina & Oskar.

5. Marie-Louise has a tie to Zsa Zsa Gabor. ML 'adopted' a young man who now calls himself Prince Frederick of Anhalt and is married to ZsaZsa.  ZsaZsa sometimes refers to herself in print as Princess Zsa Zsa of Anhalt.


You mentioned that Adi was sister to Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe Coburg Gotha:  He had only one sister and that was Pss. Alice Countess of Althone. ;)

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Sorry, I messed up on 2 area:

1) It was Alexandra Victoria and not Adi
2) I meant to say that her sister was the WIFE to Charles Edward.  :-[
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Alexandra Victoria:


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Thx for the great pix svetabel and gdella.  Alexandra Victoria is quite pretty and elegant.  

btw, I wonder if all the wives got along with each other?  
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Thanks so much,Ella,for such an interesting info on Princess Adi! Poor Princess...And I am beginning to respect Adalbert more and more if he was a patient and kind husband for Adi. It seems I'll buy "Purple Secret"  :) .

Thank you,Mardam and Marlene,for info on Marie Auguste. I wonder how many adoptions she "make" ?


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I was wondering who was a matchmaker for all those brides?How did they choose whom they(Princes) will mary?It was their will or-someones else?