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« Reply #315 on: August 08, 2008, 08:07:08 PM »
Perhaps Cookie had the last laugh anyway.  She lived longer than all of these women whom she despised, was revered by many (in spite of those teeth!) and lived off the fat of the land, every inch a queen long, long after they had shuffled off this mortal coil..........

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« Reply #316 on: August 08, 2008, 09:37:01 PM »
I wonder who would have served the UK better in the war, doughty QEQM or chic Wallis. Wallis and David would have looked divine in brown shirts!

In fact, I wonder if the monarchy would have survived that dynamic duo.
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« Reply #317 on: August 08, 2008, 10:52:19 PM »
Yes, that was apparently her rigid view, but as we've discussed before, his smoking and drinking habits were what drastically shortened the life of King George VI, not the stress of becoming king.
Not to be judgemental, but I've gathered the QM liked her drinks.  So what's the story on George VI?

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« Reply #318 on: August 09, 2008, 03:40:27 AM »


Yes, that was apparently her rigid view, but as we've discussed before, his smoking and drinking habits were what drastically shortened the life of King George VI, not the stress of becoming king.

Interesting point Grace! We know that he didn't want to be King. However it was his smoking and drinking habits as a result of the stress that shortened his life.
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« Reply #319 on: August 09, 2008, 10:26:32 AM »
I am not sure they would have lasted as the Duke of Windsor does seem to lack a sense of duty. The British would never have accepted Wallis and the image of them in Brown shirts goose stepping their way down the Mall made me smile! Sad but true as they say

I wonder who would have served the UK better in the war, doughty QEQM or chic Wallis. Wallis and David would have looked divine in brown shirts!

In fact, I wonder if the monarchy would have survived that dynamic duo.
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« Reply #320 on: August 09, 2008, 03:11:25 PM »
The Duke and Duchess of Windsor would have made an awful King and Queen for the simple fact that they where extremely selfish! Remember when David took to cancelling engagements dabs balls etc? The thought of Queen Wallis makes me shudder! King George V had the right idea when he said "I pray God that my eldest son will never marry and that nothing will come between Bertie and Lilibet and the throne." No the right couple stepped into the role (reluctantly) and did an excellent job. The Queen Mother was a big hit on all the Royal tours of Canada and the USA.

Adolf Hitler called her "the most dangerous woman in Europe". Brilliant! You have to take your hat off to her!!!!!
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« Reply #321 on: August 10, 2008, 06:09:59 PM »
The Duke and Duchess of Windsor would have made an awful King and Queen for the simple fact that they where extremely selfish! Remember when David took to cancelling engagements dabs balls etc? The thought of Queen Wallis makes me shudder! King George V had the right idea when he said "I pray God that my eldest son will never marry and that nothing will come between Bertie and Lilibet and the throne." No the right couple stepped into the role (reluctantly) and did an excellent job. The Queen Mother was a big hit on all the Royal tours of Canada and the USA.

Adolf Hitler called her "the most dangerous woman in Europe". Brilliant! You have to take your hat off to her!!!!!

Beautifully and accurately put.

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« Reply #322 on: August 12, 2008, 11:15:55 AM »
I think our perceptions are largely coloured by the fairly useless life The Duke and Duchess lived after the abdication - its certainly true that The Duke had a selfish streak (along with an aversion to taxes which was why they settled in france) - as to Wallis i think she drew the short straw having to be the devoted wife for those many years - one hopes that it was true love otherwise you'd have to pity her.  The letters on the abdication from ordinary people in their thousands do show considerable support for Edward VIII (his public were always far more adoring than those who knew him at court) and for his marriage and a considerable distaste for Baldwin and Cosmo Lang (the archbishop of Canterbury).  Arguably his distaste for stuffiness and the formality of his fathers court alongside his wife's natural sense of style and wit might have made them a rather popular couple - but with war on the horizon it might not have lasted!  Personally i don't have much time for him - sympathising with the miners in Wales (largely his role and his demand that "something be done" was overegged by the anti Baldwin Beaverbrook press to cause mischief) and the same night ordering more stunning jewels from Cartier for Wallis and telling his dinner party guests that "he approved of splendour".

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« Reply #323 on: August 13, 2008, 09:01:20 AM »
Thank you R.I! Hardly beautifully put, my grammar is terrible, still one trys ones best!! The Queen Mothers appearance has come under fire rather, i've done a little reading as I though it would be interesting to see some impressions of her where at the time she was Queen.

Cecil Beaton (the arch critic) admired her so much and wondered how he could have felt that "it was dreary & dosdy to have the Yorks onm the throne..No.one could have done the job as well as she & one knows that there is nothing she could not succeed at if sent out of her country - she might even win Hitler to peace" (IMO wonderful tribute for a lady, expecially in those days).

Beaton thought she looked "sloppy" at her wedding (I agree) but a while later saw her at the Ritz and thought her a "charming little person, She looks horrid from her photographs but she is really delightful with a very fresh complexion and face and charming style" (so nice and refreshing different to some of those ill looking ladies of the 1920s!). Three years later he gushed "Oh the fresh little Duchess. She has a lovely skin, like a baby's soft & pink & white & hardy at all made up, just a little dusting of powder".

Beaton also wrote "...she is the ideal as Queen of England for she is the personofication of all that is best & a real lady" (just what a Queen should be, which is why Wallis would never do)

Kirst McLeod wrote in Battle Royal "the season of 1919-20 saw Elizabeth effortlessly upstaging the other debs, and loving every minute of it". Unlike her Cotemporaries who were raising their skirts, bobing their hair, downing cocktails and languidly puffing at cigarettes, she conveyes a straightforward charm and wholesomeness.

Thelma Furness wrote "I remember thinking at the time, that if ever I had to live in a bungalow in a small town, this is the woman I would most like to have as a next door neighbour to gossip with whiole hanging out the washing in our backyards"

Interestingly I love the story of Wallis's first meeting with the then Duchess of York, it was at a ball held to celebrate Princess Marina's wedding, the royal bride to-be dressed in a simply cut white evning dress. McLeod relates that Wallis on the other hand was dressed in a strikingly outre violet lame dress (very typical of her). Wallis curtisied to the Duchess of York, a soft, well rounded figure in old fashioned orchid pink. It was a metting neither of minds nor of temperaments. As Wallis curtsied, she looked up to meet what she later remembered as "the almost startling blueness" of the Duchess of York's eyes regarding her coolly. Lady Hardings who was also present related "I am afraid Mrs Simpson went down badly with the Duchess from the word go. It may have been the rather ostentatious dress, or the fact she allowed the Prince to push her forward in what seemed an inappropriate manner. The Duchess was never discourteous in my experience, but those of us who knew her very well could always tell when she did not care for something or someone, and it was very apparent to me that she did not care for Mrs Simpson at all."
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« Reply #324 on: August 13, 2008, 09:18:25 AM »
Hugo Vickers writes "She remained conventional, in no sense modern, but with a hint of the picturesque in her clothes, and her own slightly individual style" (which is why the Crinolines where such a hit, she dressed differently which is so refreshing to dressing the same as everyone else zzzz, people wanted to see glamour, especially after the war).

I love the Queen Mothers style during the 1950s and 60s.  The fur stoles, the pearls, the shoes, the hats...very glamorous.

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« Reply #325 on: November 29, 2008, 12:50:23 AM »
An interesting article in the Daily Mail (yes, I know, but it does contain comments by none other than Sarah Bradford and Hugo Vickers) about Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother and (among other things) her reportedly difficult relationship with her son-in-law Prince Philip.

It would seem that with each passing year since her death more is coming to light regarding those who had a less than glowing opinion of the beloved "Queen Mum".
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1090179/The-mother-law-hell-Prince-Philips-bitter-clashes-Queen-Mother.html
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« Reply #326 on: November 29, 2008, 02:40:55 AM »
There aren't any very shocking revelations there, are there? This kind of newspaper article all a matter of packaging, suggesting more than it really offers; within the monarchy as in any other organization, there are bound to be conflicts of personality and attitude that have to work themsleves out. Everyone has always known that the Queen Mother had difficulty at first in adapting to the new situation after the early death of her husband, as is understandable enough, but everything worked out well enough in the long run, with she and the Duke carving out their own distinctive roles. 

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« Reply #327 on: November 29, 2008, 04:11:39 AM »
I never claimed it had shocking revelations, Adagietto.  I posted it because it may be of interest to some who read these threads, that's all.

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« Reply #328 on: November 29, 2008, 05:43:20 AM »
I was just offering my impressions about the article, no criticism of you intended!

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« Reply #329 on: November 29, 2008, 06:21:59 PM »
Hi,

Well, I'm sure she was "the iron fist in the velvet glove" but then that's probably what the Monarchy needed in 1936.

I remember vividly my 'meeting' with her - -
She came to Edmonton in Canada in 1985 for a meeting of the Angus Bull Association (she owned several bulls in Scotland) and inspected a Guard of Honour in front of the Alberta Legislature Building.  All the crowd could see was this yellow lace and feathered hat walking around the tall soldiers!!!
Later, her car came past us on the street and it slowed down for a group of us office workers lined up there.  Her window came down and she smiled and waved and nodded her head regally;  and as I waved my little Canadian Maple Leaf flag, I sudenly heard myself cry out, "We love you, Queen Mum!!".....  She beamed at me and was off..
So ended our 'meeting'...
I was thrilled and I'm sure she was too!!!

That's all the public ever wanted of her and that's what she gave them.

I must admit though that when she died and a BBC commentator said that she had several homes and over 50 staff to serve one 'little old lady', I was a little taken aback.
Oh that we should all be so served!!!

But, she still goes down as all chiffon, feathers and lace - smiling & waving!!

Larry