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Offline Peter Karlov

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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #180 on: August 24, 2008, 06:40:26 PM »
Oh Dear! What are you talking about?
I told you to read the greek edition of "Who is Who"!
Is it to difficult? If you don't speak greek you can found one greek who speaks english!
Just do it! But i think that you wan't to do it! It's true?
Grand Duke discent from Stephen Nemanya and from Stephen Dushan!
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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #181 on: August 24, 2008, 07:11:34 PM »
Oh Dear! What are you talking about?
I told you to read the greek edition of "Who is Who"!
Is it to difficult? If you don't speak greek you can found one greek who speaks english!
Just do it! But i think that you wan't to do it! It's true?
Grand Duke discent from Stephen Nemanya and from Stephen Dushan!
Just do it dears friends, just do it!


Mr. Karlov, you have been warned.

Robert Hall, while I am certainly not an geneologist, there are many so called "experts" who post here. Until one of them convinces me that this "grand duke" is anything but a fraud, I will not permit Mr. Karlov to disrespect Crown Prince Alexander by parading this fraud on this Forum.

Are we clear?

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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #182 on: August 24, 2008, 08:09:02 PM »
Dear Mrs Davidson,
It's your opinion!
Just do all that i told you!
If you don't, that is not my problem but yours!
I respect H.R.H. the Crown Prince and H.I.H the Grand Duke to!
I respect H.I.H. the Prince Jean Christophe Napoleon Bonaparte and H.R.H. the Count of Paris to!
I respect H.R.H. the Prince Joachim Murat and H.R.H. the Duke of Castro to!
Thank you!

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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #183 on: August 24, 2008, 09:09:27 PM »
Lisa, I agree wholeheartedly with you. No problem at all.  I post very rarely on ATR for  the exact reasons  stated by  another poster. Just thought it might be fun to see the reaction. If there  even is one. Makes no difference to me.  I am fairly positive this kid is a fraud.
 Now, the Greek Who is Who is hardly Burke's,  the Almanach de Gotha or GHDA, is it? And those are only 3 of the several other resources, some  pretty obscure, that I have  at hand. The Greek Who is Who might as well be in Swahili for all it's worth as a resource.
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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #184 on: August 25, 2008, 01:48:36 AM »
Robert, thanks so much. I think we are on the same page.

Mr. Karlov, you have now stated your opinion that this man is a "Serbian Grand Duke". You are entitled to your opinion. Now, unless you have some proof from genealogists, that's enough.

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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #185 on: August 25, 2008, 03:08:00 PM »
Interestingly, I did recieve a couple of responses, sane ones for a refreshing change for them, and  the prospects do not look too  bright  for the lad. Anyone really interested in this topic can see them at ATR, which probably a better place for it anyway. Unless Lisa wishes to move this to Having Fun!
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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #186 on: August 25, 2008, 09:13:24 PM »
Lisa, just lock the topic if you can.
Claims have been made but never substantiated,and seeing that CP Alexander II is the true and recognized heir,we need not seriously continue with this charlatan.
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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #187 on: August 25, 2008, 10:15:19 PM »
I have no real objection to that, either. The Serbian "Empire exsisted only from 1346 to 1371, And I personally found no link  with that past and anyone- ANYONE present.  Just nother pretty fantasy.
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Re: Identification
« Reply #188 on: August 26, 2008, 07:29:09 AM »
I don't know whether it should belong to this thread but could someone tell me who is on that Icon(sorry for the quality)?
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Re: Identification
« Reply #189 on: August 26, 2008, 08:01:29 AM »
The posture reminds me of St. George killing a dragon, but I don´t know.... maybe we need help from someone who´s Orthodox :)

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Re: who is that Serbian Grand Duke ?
« Reply #190 on: August 26, 2008, 08:48:06 AM »
This is madness. Consider the names that the people use on this site... Princess this and Grand Duke Emperor that. He is just a a fantasist, rather like the bazaar Frenchman who calls himself Prince Michael of Scotland

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Re: Identification
« Reply #191 on: August 26, 2008, 10:17:58 AM »
Yes, it is icon of St. George killing dragon.
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Re: Identification
« Reply #192 on: August 26, 2008, 12:35:22 PM »
Re:  Subject of icon:  I am certainly not any expert in this field, but in my opinion, though the visial quality is not sharp, I really do not see a dragon (as associated with Saint George).  Aren't  traditional representations of Saint Demitrius (St. James) shown in a similiar depiction, but with a "human" figure being speared (rather than a dragon)?  There IS a mounted warrior-type figure shown here in that position on the "receiving end" of the saint's charge.  The billowing red at the saint's foot is perhaps a cloak, landscape object,etc. of/near the lower mounted figure, but does not suggest to me dragon's coils.  If it WERE a dragon (thence St. George), obviously the dragon would be more prominent.  I believe in Russia, this Saint Demitrius would be referred to as "of Saloniki."   Regards, AP.
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Re: Identification
« Reply #193 on: August 26, 2008, 01:05:55 PM »
thanks for help :)

I think it's not St. George as in this icon(though perhaps not very visible on the photo) there's no dragon but human on white horse, so then it would be Saint Demitrius.
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Re: Identification
« Reply #194 on: August 26, 2008, 01:41:05 PM »
Oh really! It can be St. Demitrius then.!  ;) He was warrior at Solune, Greece. Probably the icon shows he beating with anoher one warrior...... ;)
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