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Re: Alexei ordering soldiers to fire on his grandmother's yacht?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2007, 08:09:04 PM »
It was not that cold in Livadia in winter. No snow or ice. It was not "hot" though either. Probably maybe 60's to 70 F.  Maybe a little cooler.
Is 70 degrees Ferenheight about 20 some degrees Celcius?

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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2007, 08:32:09 PM »
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Yes thats it thank ya!!

did the imperial family ever go to Livadia in the winter?
i always thought that was a summer palace!

No I'm pretty sure they went there to get away from the freezing winters in Tsarskoe Selo.

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Re: Alexei ordering soldiers to fire on his grandmother's yacht?
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2007, 09:01:37 PM »
do you think he was kinda a Whiner? or let say, spoiled?
I don't know whether Aleksei was a whiner, but he was most certainly spoiled. Many of the courtiers' memoirs mention his bad behavior and his parents' indulgences.
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Re: Alexei ordering soldiers to fire on his grandmother's yacht?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 08:55:41 AM »
70 degrees F is 21.2 C....

Alexei, from the first hand accounts I have read was an interesting combination. At once polite, generous and happy and also stubborn, spoiled and demanding.  He would just spontaneously give the soldiers he came into contact with toys for their children, guests almost unanimously describe him as pleasant,happy and a perfect little gentleman.  Spiridovitch recounts this as well, but also that he was hugely stubborn and would say things like "I am your Tsarevitch, you cannot order me to come down from this tree" when his playtime was over and they had to send for the Emperor (or at least threaten to...) to get him down.  Nicholas was the only person who Alexei minded completely.  He was also very bossy with his playmates, one time hugely scolding a little boy who did not address him "correctly enough" in Alexei's opinion, when the boy called him "Imperalnaya Velyshistvo" rather than "Gosudar Imperalnayo Velysistvo Tsetsarevich Naslednik" which Alexei preferred (apologies if I butchered the Russian).


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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 10:42:13 AM »
Alexei, from the first hand accounts I have read was an interesting combination. At once polite, generous and happy and also stubborn, spoiled and demanding. 

Indeed. There are plenty of stories of Aleksei's mischief and/or misbehavior, but he also had what the Russians refer to as a "golden heart" -- a capacity for deep compasison and empathy. I'm sorry I can't recall where I first came across that term in reference to the tsesarevich. I believe it was one of the courtier's memoirs.
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 04:37:49 PM »
Thank you FA and Sarushka!!
that was a great help!!

i remember reading about the "Heart of Gold" in Camera and the Tsars!

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2007, 09:35:40 PM »
i remember reading about the "Heart of Gold" in Camera and the Tsars!

Ooh -- that's it! Good job.  8)
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2007, 04:53:58 PM »
i remember reading about the "Heart of Gold" in Camera and the Tsars!

Ooh -- that's it! Good job.  8)

hahaha thanks!!
i couldn't remeber if i read it Camera and the Tsars or Love Power and Tragedy

thank you for the compliment!

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2007, 02:05:05 PM »
As the FA mentioned earlier, the two previously mentioned issues are absolute legends.  I will try and find where I found this information at.  I do recall finding it during my early research for The Testament, during which time I also created that web page.  The two issues were made into two great scenes in the screenplay, but after having learned that they were just legends, the were subsequently removed from the screenplay.  This was well after I stopped working on the web page.  I didn't even know that the web page was still on the internet.  It's been a little under a decade since I even went to it.  I don't even have that AOL account anymore.

Anyway, I'll see what I can do to get it removed.  Also as soon as I locate the source that I found this legend in I will let ya'll know.  Sorry for the late reply, but I have been dreadfully busy and haven't had the time to visit this forum recently.

Aaron