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Omens and prophecies
« on: December 18, 2005, 05:01:23 PM »
Charles I wore white to his coronation, which was considered bad luck, since white clothes were sometimes used by royals as mourning.  After the execution, his body was brought to Windsor for burial; the black cloth that covered his coffin became covered with snow during the journey.  This reminded people of his coronation outfit, and led to his posthumous nickname of the White King.

After Charles set up his Standard in 1642, it was blown down during the night.

While Charles was being held prisoner after the Civil War ended, one of the beds he slept in had a motto emblazoned on it:  “Remember thy end.”

During Charles’s trial, the head of his cane fell off.

In 1688, William of Orange landed in England on the 83rd anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot.  It was also his birthday.  

William’s supporters wore orange scarves, feathers, and ribbons.  The troops of the Earl of Essex, who commanded Parliament’s army during the first years of the Civil War, wore “tawny” or orange scarves, feathers and ribbons.

William III died from complications from a broken collarbone.  He broke his collarbone after being thrown while riding a horse that he had confiscated from the estate of a Jacobite, Sir John Fenwick, whom he had recently executed.

Some of Nostradamus’s quatrains are said to be about the Stuarts:

http://www.sealedknot.org/knowbase/docs/0030_Nostradamus.htm
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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 05:02:40 PM »
Thanks palatine.  ;) Any about James II?
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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 05:27:49 PM »
In March 1701, seven months after the death of William of Gloucester, James II had a stroke.  The stroke occurred during mass when the words from Lamentations, "Remember, O Lord, what is come upon us: consider and behold our reproach.  Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens", were chanted.  Three months later, the Act of Succession was passed.

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005, 05:36:39 PM »
 :o :o :o :oOooh.
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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2005, 05:53:46 AM »
makes you wonder, doesn't it? ;)

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2005, 08:52:22 AM »
Here's Nostradamus' famous quatrain which was thought by contemporaries to refer to the death of Francis II and the discord caused by his widow (Mary Stuart) in the two islands (er....) of England and Scotland.

"Premier fils vefve  malheureux marriage,
Sans nuts enfants, deux Isles en discord,
Avant dix-huict incompetant age.
De l'autre près  plus bas sera l'accord."

(Translation)

"The eldest son leaves, with his wretched marriage,
Widow, no children, and two isles in strife,
And dies before eighteen, incompetent of age.
The younger son will marry earlier still. "

Catherine de' Medicis was so impressed that she would often go to him for advice. It was a lucky break as Francis died aged 17 1/2. Charles IX didn't get married until he was 20, though.

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2005, 08:54:43 AM »
When James V of Scotland was told of his daughter Mary's birth, he said that "it came with a lass and it will go with a lass", turned his face to the wall, and died.  The last Stuart monarch was Queen Anne.

The famous triple portrait of Charles I, showing him from three angles, was painted for the use of the famous Italian sculptor, Bernini, who had agreed to make a statue of the king.  When Bernini saw the painting, he reportedly said that the king was doomed.
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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2005, 08:55:38 AM »
When he said 'it came with a lass' he was of course referring to Marjorie Bruce, whose son was Robert II, the first Stuart king.  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2005, 11:20:46 AM »
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When James V of Scotland was told of his daughter Mary's birth, he said that "it came with a lass and it will go with a lass", turned his face to the wall, and died.  The last Stuart monarch was Queen Anne.



This was more a statement of genealogical inevitability than a prophecy. If he had said "it came with a lass and it will go with an overweight middle aged lady" - that would have been a prophecy!  :)

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2005, 11:23:13 AM »
Oh and does anyone know? Why is Anne counted as a Stuart? Wasn't she an Oldenburg or whatever her husband's surname was?

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2005, 11:25:06 AM »
Well, Mary Tudor is still a Tudor, not a Habsburg, and Victoria is a Hanoverian, not a Wettin. Anne's son or daughter, if she had had one, would have been an Oldenburg.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2005, 11:32:51 AM »
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Well, Mary Tudor is still a Tudor, not a Habsburg, and Victoria is a Hanoverian, not a Wettin. Anne's son or daughter, if she had had one, would have been an Oldenburg.


So the Duke of Gloucester would have started the Oldenburg dynasty! I hadn't thought of that.

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2005, 11:54:43 AM »
The more you know . . .  ;D ;)
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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2005, 08:48:09 PM »
Great ladies seemed to have kept their maiden names in those days.

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Re: Omens and prophecies
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2006, 10:19:47 AM »
Charles I and Henrietta Maria’s daughter Elizabeth was born on the Feast Day of the Holy Innocents, which was considered ominous.  She did indeed die at an early age.  

When his eldest son became a knight of the Garter, Charles I issued a medal which featured a crown hovering over the royal oak.  Many years later, Charles II hid in an oak tree while on the run from the Roundheads.

Charles Edward died on January 30, 1788, the 139th anniversary of the execution of Charles I.