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Tudor Palaces
« on: December 20, 2005, 12:12:42 PM »
It's often said that by the end of his life Henry VIII owned about 56 palaces. Does anyone know what they are? I tried to come up with a few but could only get to 10.

1. Hampton Court
2. Greenwich Palace
3. Richmond Palace
4. Whitehall Palace
5. Eltham Palace
6. Nonsuch Palace
7. Palace of Westminster
8. Tower of London
9. Oatlands Palace
10. St James' Palace

Of course, 'palace' could be a loose term which describes the likes of Hatfield House or Kenninghall, that belonged to the King, or perhaps castles too.
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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2005, 12:27:29 PM »
Kenilworth (given to John Dudley after the Dissolution)
Sudeley was also crown property.
Some say that there are at least 60 palaces :o
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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2005, 01:52:56 PM »
Thanks Kim.  ;D

I forgot -
Chelsea Old Palace
and (since I'm guessing that the properties that Mary and Elizabeth inherited must have belonged to him)
Framlingham Castle
Hatfield House
Hunsdon House
Kenninghall
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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2005, 01:19:03 AM »
There was Bridewell palace in London :)

..and the Palace of Beaulieu in Essex.

Fotheringhay Castle belonged to Catherine of Aragon.

Havering (Manor) Palace in Essex.

Thornbury Castle in Gloucester (near you, Kimberly!) was confiscated from the Duke of Buckingham.

Henry had his own building department called The King's Works . It had a central office in Westminster and five permanent offices in Calais, Berwick, Chester, Denbigh (these dealt with castles and fortifications)and Windsor. It was the central office that dealt with the palaces and there were temporary local offices for the various building projects that went on.

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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2005, 03:35:31 AM »
Thanks bell! Did Henry also own Kimbolton Castle, where Katherine of Aragon died?
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 05:28:22 AM »
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Thanks bell! Did Henry also own Kimbolton Castle, where Katherine of Aragon died?


No it seems it belonged to this man:

Charles Wingfield of Kimbolton Castle (1513-May 24, 1540). He married Joan Knollys, a sister to Sir Francis Knollys and sister-in-law to Lady Catherine Carey.

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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2005, 05:30:54 AM »
Thanks bell, knew I could rely on you.  ;) ;)

Did Henry own any Welsh Castles/Palaces? Harlech?
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2005, 05:40:05 AM »
I was wondering about Pembroke where Henry VII was born - it had belonged to Jasper Tudor so maybe Henry inherited it. Not really a palace though.

Henry built several castles on the south coast because of his French wars: Sandown, Deal, Walmer and Sandgate in Kent; Camber Castle and Rye in Sussex; Southsea, Calshot and Hurst in Hampshire; Sandsfoot in Dorset; Pendennis and St Mawes in Cornwall. These were by no stretch of the imagination palaces.

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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 05:43:09 AM »
Did he use any of the repossessed monasteries as palaces? I think Elizabeth got one of them . . . did he own Somerset House, or was that not built till later? Also, Durham House?
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 05:49:28 AM »
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Did he use any of the repossessed monasteries as palaces? I think Elizabeth got one of them . . . did he own Somerset House, or was that not built till later? Also, Durham House?


Somerset house was built by Somerset, but on the SH site it says Henry had a house on the Strand. It would be surprising if Henry didn't keep some of the repossesed monasteries, but they weren't very good for use as palaces - many were used as quarries for Elizabethan country houses. I'll have a look though.

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2005, 05:58:49 AM »
Durham House was acquired by Henry from the Bishop of Durham (it dated from the early 15th C). Upon his death Edward gave it to his sister Elizabeth for life, but somehow it ended up as the London residence of the Dudleys. Elizabeth got it back when she became Queen: it became the home of Walter Raleigh.

Durham House Street still exists, behind the Strand between Charing Cross Station and Somerset House.

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Re: Tudor Palaces
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 06:01:15 AM »
Thanks!  :D

I think Durham House ended up with the Dudleys because John Dudley swapped her for Chelsea Old Palace, or something like that.  ;) Did Henry ever own Hever Castle after the Boleyns, or am I crazy?
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2005, 06:15:07 AM »


Here's two from the Beaufort side:

Woking Palace (never knew there was a palace in Woking - Henry stayed there quite often).

Collyweston Manor in Northamptonshire - quite a grand affair belonging to Lady Mags. It was passed on to Henry Fitzroy at some stage.
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2005, 06:17:15 AM »
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Thanks!  :D

I think Durham House ended up with the Dudleys because John Dudley swapped her for Chelsea Old Palace, or something like that.  ;) Did Henry ever own Hever Castle after the Boleyns, or am I crazy?


Yes briefly: upon Sir Thomas' death (1539), Hever Castle went to the Crown and in 1540, it was given to Anne of Cleves in her divorce from Henry VIII. Anne owned the Castle until her death in 1557.


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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2005, 07:05:16 AM »
I see, thanks. And who did Hever pass to when Anne of Cleves died?
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