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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2006, 07:50:38 AM »
Great dboro, thanks very much!

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2007, 03:02:38 PM »

 In Russia she was blamed for not converting to the orthodox faith.After the Russian revolution when  most of her children were killed in the most horrendous (much worse than the emporor and his family) way she was invited by Queen Victoria of Sweden to stay for some years in Stockholm. She then returned to Altenburg where she is buried. Her husband revealed in his diary recently opened that  he was gay although they had nine children together.

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2007, 07:49:07 PM »
Guess he did fulfill his duty to her.  ;)

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2007, 01:54:18 PM »

 In Russia she was blamed for not converting to the orthodox faith.After the Russian revolution when  most of her children were killed in the most horrendous (much worse than the emporor and his family) way she was invited by Queen Victoria of Sweden to stay for some years in Stockholm. She then returned to Altenburg where she is buried. Her husband revealed in his diary recently opened that  he was gay although they had nine children together.

What was the horrible means by which her children were killed by the Communists?
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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2007, 03:09:30 PM »
They were thrown alive into a n mine pit in the Ural mountains to die there. Their bodies were late recovered by the white army and brought to China and at least some of them were brought back to Europe as far as I have understood.   

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« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2007, 03:52:20 PM »
Can I ask another question about the Sachsen-Altenburg family? The younger brother Friedrich of the dukes Joseph and George (all first cousins of Tsar Alexander and of King George of Hannover and duke of Cumberland, second cousins of Queen Victoria of G.B.and brothers of Queen Thérèse of Bavaria) is unknown in history but for one thing. He was engaged around 1825 (I do not have my documents available at this moment) to lady Elisabeth Talbot , daugter of the earl of Shrewsbury. Queen Adelaide of G. B. gave a big engagement party in honor of their engagement for a lot of royalties. I have read a report in the Times. The brother in-law of the groom to be prince Friedrich, King Ludwig I of Bavaria declared Elisabeth princess of Bavaria. This is repored in Almanch de Gotha. Probably because otherwise the marriage would have been considered morganatic. The wedding  nether took place, however, and all official sorces are silent about why.  I think the reason might have been religion.  Lady Elisabeth later marrying Prince Doria Pamphhiliy in Rome after her sister Gwendoleen had married a Prince Borgia. Prince Friedrich never married but lived long enough to see all but one of his eleven siblings to die befor e him
Anyone has any idea?

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2007, 06:55:11 PM »

 In Russia she was blamed for not converting to the orthodox faith.After the Russian revolution when  most of her children were killed in the most horrendous (much worse than the emporor and his family) way she was invited by Queen Victoria of Sweden to stay for some years in Stockholm. She then returned to Altenburg where she is buried. Her husband revealed in his diary recently opened that  he was gay although they had nine children together.

What was the horrible means by which her children were killed by the Communists?

Poor Mavra probably suffered more than any other surviving Romanov. Her son, Oleg, killed in the war, along with her son-in-law, Prince Bagration. Her husband, to whom she was devoted, dying fairly young, partially due to grief--though this spared him likely execution later on. Three of her sons killed, along with Grand Duchess Elizabeth, in the Urals--a slow death though I don't know if it was much worse than the Imperial family. Her brother-in-law, Dmitri, executed along with other Grand Dukes. A second son-in-law (and aide to GD Dmitri) dying of illness soon after his marriage--done mostly to help protect Mavra's daughter, the widowed Tatiana. Out of one of the largest families in the Romanov clan, 9 children, she was left by 1919 with 4 surviving children and only descendants from her son Ivan and daughter Tatiana--and there are few of them at that and none in the male line anymore. And all the tragedies came after losing a child in infancy.
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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2007, 08:46:32 PM »
I wonder about Marva's last years and her relationship with her own family... ???

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2007, 09:24:57 PM »
I was disappointed there wasn't more in either Flight of the Romanovs. I can't remember how much was in Gilded Prism--I'll have to get it out.

She was at least buried with her Altenburg relatives so there was some relationship there.

The Saxe-Altenburg cemetary (courtesy of royaltyguide.nl--a great site)



Mavra's grave:

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« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2007, 03:13:09 AM »
Can I ask another question about the Sachsen-Altenburg family? The younger brother Friedrich of the dukes Joseph and George (all first cousins of Tsar Alexander and of King George of Hannover and duke of Cumberland, second cousins of Queen Victoria of G.B.and brothers of Queen Thérèse of Bavaria) is unknown in history but for one thing. He was engaged around 1825 (I do not have my documents available at this moment) to lady Elisabeth Talbot , daugter of the earl of Shrewsbury. Queen Adelaide of G. B. gave a big engagement party in honor of their engagement for a lot of royalties. I have read a report in the Times. The brother in-law of the groom to be prince Friedrich, King Ludwig I of Bavaria declared Elisabeth princess of Bavaria. This is repored in Almanch de Gotha. Probably because otherwise the marriage would have been considered morganatic. The wedding  nether took place, however, and all official sorces are silent about why.  I think the reason might have been religion.  Lady Elisabeth later marrying Prince Doria Pamphhiliy in Rome after her sister Gwendoleen had married a Prince Borgia. Prince Friedrich never married but lived long enough to see all but one of his eleven siblings to die befor e him
Anyone has any idea?

Apart from usual spelling mistakes I wrote a lot of wrong things. Lady Talbot's name was not Elisabeth but Mary Alathea and her sister did not marry a Borgia  (that would have been fun) but a Borghese. Very sorry

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2007, 09:00:42 AM »
I was disappointed there wasn't more in either Flight of the Romanovs. I can't remember how much was in Gilded Prism--I'll have to get it out.

She was at least buried with her Altenburg relatives so there was some relationship there.

The Saxe-Altenburg cemetary (courtesy of royaltyguide.nl--a great site)



Mavra's grave:


Despite the constant searches & the 8 days on the Baltic...Mavra was lucky to get out of Russia with her two youngest children,grandchildren & Prince & Princess Shakhovskoy.

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2007, 08:04:29 PM »
Indeed...Was she close to her children ?  ???

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2007, 01:53:42 PM »
Are there also some books on the Sachsen Altenburg family between 1850-1930?

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #58 on: February 19, 2007, 08:30:57 AM »
The best bet are aither German or Russian books... ::)

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Re: Sachsen Altenburg family
« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2007, 12:48:59 PM »
I am searching for any extra info and pictures on

Princess  Margarete (1867-1882) of Saxe-Altenburg,3d daughter of Prince Moritz and sister of GDss Elizaveta Mavrikievna (Mavra) of Russia.

Also I'd like to see pics of Princesses Olga and Maria of Saxe-Altenburg, daughters of Prince Albert of Saxe-Altenburg and Princess Marie of Preussen (in her 1st marriage Princess of Holland). These Princesses had been raised by their stepmother Princess Elena (nee Princess of Mecklenbourg-Strelitz of a Russian branch) and spent a lof of time in Russia..and I can't find extra info on them except that they loved their stepmother deeply and married to Germans.

Olga (1886-1955) - married Count von PÜCKLER BURGHAUSS
Maria (1888-1947) -  married Prince Heinrich XXXV REUß zu KÖSTRITZ.