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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2005, 07:45:18 PM »
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One minor irritant of mine with the book - the only irritant!  ;D Does anyone else think that the other royal ladies in the book are shown in a bad light to Katherine's advantage? All except Blanche of Lancaster - Katherine's idol - the other women are shown to be either malicious (Constanza), stupid (the Duchess of York), spiteful (the Countess of Buckingham) or slightly gone to seed (the Princess of Wales). That last one particularly irked me - Joan was the Fair Maid of Kent! But she's shown to be apparently not tat beautiful, so that no one outshines Katherine.  :P I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill here, but . . .


Yes, I noticed that too, PL, but I don't know all that much about the characters of that era (yet) so wasn't sure if this was a skewed view or not. But it did seem a little weird. On the whole though, I like the book (I am about three quarters done now) and I think it is a good intro to the Platagenets of that time period. Again, thanks everyone for your comments!

P.S. Was Katherine S really as beautiful as the author made her out to be in the book, or was it just creative license?

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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2005, 09:25:06 PM »
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Hi guys. I've read the book and know Katherine's story well. The book is admirably researched and almost 100% accurate, only one or two minor liberties, such as Blanchette's fate. ;)



What became of Blanchette?

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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2005, 03:10:04 AM »
Well, appparently she was as beautiful as the book says, she had neat, even features and a heart-shaped face which you can see on the picture I posted earlier. There is no extant portrait of her though. Even the monks who wrote so disparagingly about John of Gaunt said she was beautiful.
I too would like to know what really happened to Blanchette.
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2005, 08:36:10 AM »
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What became of Blanchette?


That's just the thing - I don't know. No one does.  ??? I won't mention what happens to her in the book, because I don't want to spoil it, but suffice to say it could have happened that way, but it would be quite the coincedence.
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2005, 08:37:51 AM »
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Yes, I noticed that too, PL, but I don't know all that much about the characters of that era (yet) so wasn't sure if this was a skewed view or not. But it did seem a little weird. On the whole though, I like the book (I am about three quarters done now) and I think it is a good intro to the Platagenets of that time period. Again, thanks everyone for your comments!

P.S. Was Katherine S really as beautiful as the author made her out to be in the book, or was it just creative license?


Oooh, keep reading Helen, we need more Plantagenet lovers on this board.  ;D
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2006, 06:10:08 PM »
I am delighted to see this topic! I read Katherine many years ago, when I was in middle school, on the strength of having read Ms. Seton's novel My Theodosia about the daughter of Aaron Burr. I was completely entranced with Katherine and continued to read the novel once a year for some time afterwards; I also wrote to Ms. Seton, who very kindly responded to my enthusiam for her book and declaration of also wanting to be an historical novelist.

Anya Seton was a careful researcher (her father was naturalist and writer Ernest Thompson Seton) and she rarely substituted dramatic license in place of the facts. I understand that even today her books are much in demand and tend to fly off the shelves at used book stores.

Kimberly's mention of the plans to film Katherine fascinates me. For one thing, I happen to be a classic movie fan. Unfortunately only two of Ms. Seton's novels were actually filmed, which is a shame because I think they all have cinematic possibilities. Her strictly fictional Dragonwyk (though it did include as minor characters actual people such as Edgar Allan Poe) was filmed in the 1940s and starred Gene Tierney and Vincent Price. This version, Ms. Seton wrote to me, she was fine with. However, she did not like the film adaptation of another novel, Foxfire, which starred Jane Russell and Jeff Chandler.

As for the idea of filming Katherine with Rita Hayworth and Charlton Heston, I'm very sorry it did not happen.  Unfortunately Ms. Hayworth was, by the time the book would have been translated to the screen, not at her Cover Girl best, due to the cumulative effects of a tragic life that would culminate in Alzheimer's disease. But her physical type was, I think, right for the role, and she had a real-life innocence about her (according to all who knew her, including one of her husbands, Orson Welles, and the recently departed Shelley Winters) that makes her portrayals of sophisticated temptresses all the more remarkable. As for Charlton Heston . . . wow, nailed, as far as I'm concerned! The looks, the acting chops, the presence, the attitude . . . everything. And if you ever happen to see a 1960s film called The War Lord, you'll know what I'm talking about, even tho' by then he was a bit too old to play the younger John of Gaunt.

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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2006, 09:37:45 AM »
Perhaps we should make our own movie of 'Katherine' with Kim playing Katherine to Bell's John of Gaunt.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2006, 10:02:23 AM »
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Perhaps we should make our own movie of 'Katherine' with Kim playing Katherine to Bell's John of Gaunt.  ;D ;D ;D


Yikes!

PL can be Richard then. He can get to wear his pointy toed shoes!
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2006, 10:04:42 AM »
Hey, Bell. I ain't no spring chicken ;D
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2006, 10:06:14 AM »
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PL can be Richard then. He can get to wear his pointy toed shoes!


Young, arrogant, fashionable - sould like me alright.  ;D ;D
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2006, 02:23:33 PM »
A new biography has just been published. I have ordered it from Amazon and it should get here the beginning of April. I have heard that it is very good,crammed full of detail but only 31 pages long. Maybe the author will clear up the mystery of Blanchette.
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2006, 02:25:01 PM »
A bio only 31 pages long?  :o :o :o
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2006, 02:49:57 PM »
I got it in a two book deal. It cost £3.50. The other book is a new bio of Anne Neville (I know, I know...that one will be 32 pages long :P)
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2006, 01:43:03 PM »
Just seen the thread..
Was that Katherine Swynford?! Blimey. Never realised....I read the Anya Seton book years ago - and I was a huge fan of hers - and only now you've mentioned it is the penny dropping. I must read it again - which will necessitate me troiling up into my mum's loft this weekend to dig thru her library up there.
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Re: Katherine Swynford
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2006, 06:56:04 AM »
It's worth the 'dig' Tdora, as I think you'll agree.  ;D ;D
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