Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"

[Sarastasia]

Heya everyone
I just got the DVD of "Nicholas and Alexandra" for Christmas and I was watching it yesterday. There is a scene whe they are imprisoned in Ekaterinburg, where a guard walks into OTMA's room. I was shocked that Tatiana suddenly revealed her chest to the guard, without any reasoning!  
I would have never expected this of her! And I have never heard of such an occurance!!
Does anyone know if any such thing happened? Or are the makers just making things up?... again

Sarastasia

[lilavanderhorn]

They were making things up again, in order to show how "deprived" the poor girls were when it came to male companionship.  Frankly I found the whole scene vulgar and repulsive, and should not have been included.  From what we know of Tatiana she would not dream of doing something like this.  A young, very protected and religious girl brought up under the likes of Alexandra would never demean herself this way.

[Sarastasia]

I agree! I was really looking forward to a scene with OTMA on their own, and I was really disgusted by it!!
From what we know, she would never do such a thing as that, and she would scold a young lady herself for doing so!
Yes, she became deeply religious so she would definatly never have done this.
In all honesty, I sat through the film, picky holes in it! But it is a very good film... but historical discrepencies annoy me so. I almost flipped when they said that Alexei was born at 8 pounds, when he was really 11 pounds!

Sarastasia

[Sarastasia]

Here I have some photos of the scene:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Nicholas%20and%20Alexandra/cef22b8b.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Nicholas%20and%20Alexandra/cap005.jpg
First, Tatiana doesn't want him to be there.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Nicholas%20and%20Alexandra/Tatianasbearing.jpg
Then she shows her chest for an unknown reason...
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Nicholas%20and%20Alexandra/3997819f.jpg
OMA stand and watch
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/SaraFeodorovna/Nicholas%20and%20Alexandra/9fc327b5.jpg
Then she becomes really upset, and Olga tries to comforts her.

An accurate depictation of Tatiana? I don't think so...

[Margarita Markovna]

I don't think so either....this is almost like the Tatiana-Cleopatra thread.

[Tania]

Dear Sarastasia,

When selling movies now days, 'anything' is offered, and to shock the audiences, is one of the main themes of selling. Movie people like to add spice and throw in all manner of outrageous scenes.

If you look for truth, it is there. If you are looking for something less than truth, it is there as well. For me, and my family, we make strong inquiries before we venture into watching something that leaves one with tasteless scenes.

Lilavanderhorn is quite right. Tatiana was not one to demean anyone, anything, and most of all that of how she was brought up in being a very religious person.

It's not worth offering such posts to the forum, or even links for others to be confronted again by something that never transpired. Just my ho.

I would care to remember Tatiana, and her siblings as the true, honest, innocents that they were.

Tatiana

[matushka]

All the scene has no sense. Not only Tatiana, but any well educated girl of this time (and our?) never would have done something like that. We will add, that there was no reason for that. Yes, the girls felt how boring, unsure, dangerous, humiliating was the situation, but as we know from documents they chated with pleasure with the guards. And let us remember this story about Tatiana crying and going about because a guard said an obsene joke to her.
I have not see this DVD, but it seems to be of bad historical quality: the girls in Ekaterinburg had quite shorts hairs...

[RealAnastasia]

Disgusting...Whe I saw this scene I couldn't believe that this was even put in a screen. Tatiana would never act this way. Nor me when I was her age, nor now!

For me, this is unnacceptable. You may change a little the story in order to make a movie, but not changes the characters to show them totally the opposite of the way they were in real life. In this case, this  is like insulting Tatiana's memory.

I must said I never liked "Nicholas and Alexandra" that much. In various scenes, the Tsar spoke cruelly to Alix, a thing that he would never done in real life. He said something over the lines of "...What did you give me? Four girls, one sick boy..." UGH! Not accurate at all.

RealAnastasia.

[Olga_Anne]

He said something over the lines of "...What did you give me? Four girls, one sick boy..." UGH! Not accurate at all.

RealAnastasia.

I must agree with you here. Another one of his lines are when he shouted over and over "... You gave it to him!..." at Alix about Alexei's disease. Nicholas would have never done that. That and the Tatiana secne I did not like at all. But it was a good flim otherwise.

[RomanovFan318]

 Frankly I found the whole scene vulgar and repulsive, and should not have been included. .

Here! Here! Agree with you.  Although I like the movie that particular scene has always bothered me greatly.  Tatiana would NEVER have done anything like that to  any young man much less one of those guards who were holding her and her family prisoner. I never understood why they included that scene. It was in very poor taste in my opinion.

And the  "four girls and one sick boy" line bothered me too. Nicky wouldn't have said anything ike that to Alix.

[Grace]

I think that film is rubbish.

For a start, it was inaccurate and many scenes were simply fictitious, like the Tatiana breast-baring scene. AS IF that would have happened.  

Even the hairstyles were appalling, with the Grand Duchesses sporting teased styles fashionable in 1971, when it was made, not those worn during WWI.

Some of the acting, from my memory, was okay but that's about all I can say for it.  I'm surprised it even made it to DVD.  

I remember looking forward to seeing it on television and being so very disappointed.

Just my opinion though...

[clockworkgirl21]

Whoa. I've watched Nicholas and Alexandra, and I never saw that scene. I'm sure I would have remembered it, it would have been shocking.

[clockworkgirl21]

Also, that girls doesn't look to be out of her teens, like Tatiana was. Anyone know how old she was? I believe the actress is now dead from a drug overdose.

[Sarushka]

Whoa. I've watched Nicholas and Alexandra, and I never saw that scene. I'm sure I would have remembered it, it would have been shocking.

I think someone mentioned on another thread that this scene is only included in the DVD version of the film. I watched an old VHS release a month or so ago, and it's not on that version.

I wonder if they cut the scene from the original theater release as well?

[Grace]

Also, that girls doesn't look to be out of her teens, like Tatiana was. Anyone know how old she was? I believe the actress is now dead from a drug overdose.

That would be the late Lynne Frederick (1954-1994).  She was the ex-wife of presenter David Frost and was the widow of Peter Sellers.

She would have been about 16 when Nicholas and Alexandra was made.