Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"

[dmitri]

I guess it depends on whether you want to have a general oversight of world history or a specialist interest.

[Alixz]

I guess it does.

[loulia]

Hi everybody, I like to watch this movie on NAOTMA, even if it's not completly true on the historical plan, I think it's interesting to see this story on a screen and not on a book for once.
But I can't find the dvd anywhere! I'm living in France, so please could you give me some advice about where to look for? and could you give me the entire reference for the film?

[koloagirl]

Bonjour!

If you go to this website "http://www.imdb.com/" and type in "Nicholas and Alexandra" it should give you any kind of information about this movie -- as well as merchandising links for purchase
of DVD's.

Bon chance!   

Janet R.

[loulia]

Thank you janet! I've just order the dvd on amazon, I will receive it in the end of october, then I'll tell you my thought about it, it looks pretty interesting!

[Amanda_Misha]

In my opinion although the film "Nicholas and Alexandra" it has acceptable scenes, the scene of Tatiana and the soldier in Ipatiev is really offensive Tatiana was a very religious girl as it were going to do that? I got angry when it observes that scene,as offensive scene as devoid of reason
An excuse if I exceeded a little with the tone my commentary

[dmitri]

There is really no way of knowing how any of the daughters of Nicholas and Alexandra reacted to their imprisonment. It was a complete and utter break from their previous sheltered experience. No doubt they were at times deeply disturbed and traumatised by it all. There is evidence to show that there was very little privacy and lewd drawings in the bathroom/toilet in the Ipatiev House. I wouldn't discount that events took place that were atypical behaviour for the girls. Remember their whole world had been ripped apart and they were prisoners.

[Olishka~ Pincess]

Yes it is unsure about what exactly happened to the girls while they were in imprisonment. All we have is memoirs and letters based on that. I also thought that scene with Tatiana, and what she did was very inappropiate. The movie was horrible I did not like it at all. Thumbs down! It was terrible.

[anna11]

Oh come on. When will people realize that these movies are made for ENTERTAINMENT! They are films, not documentaries, if you want to see the exact story of the Tsar on screen watch The Last of the Tsars or something. They never, ever try to make it perfectly the same, it's the same when they're translating books into movies, things have to bee changed. To be historically accurate is not the point of the film.

The scene between Tatiana and the guard is distasteful to us, but not to the general public who don't know that much about NAOTMAA because they haven't specially researched it. To people who don't know that much about the Romanovs, that scene just shows a scared and confused girl, who's 21 and is being repressed in every-way, socially and sexually. And to be honest, there's no real proof one of OTMA would not have done something like that. Like dimitri said, no one knows how they would have reacted to being put in captivity and having their whole life turned upside down so suddenly, especially at those ages, 23, 21, 19, 17. People those ages have usually developed sexually, and these days most are sexually active by then. It's no stretch to imagine that Tatiana, or any one of the girls secretly wanted to try sex and were feeling sexually repressed. OTMA were not saints, they were normal people like you and me, who would have had normal feelings like you and me.

I'm not saying it's likely that this actually happened, it's probably very unlikely. It's just not impossible.

[NAOTMAA Fan]

I feel Anna makes a good point. When we come down to it, Nicholas & Alexandra was for entertainment purposes only, not to educate the myriads of the populace on the exact facts of Russian Royalty. Yes, we most certainly do find this scene vulgar and dripping with excess Hollywood drama, but it's just another ploy by film producers to keep the audience tuned in. I mean, admit it.

And all this talk of how cheap and bad the film is, wake up call people, it was made over 30 years ago when little was known or cared for on the topic of the last Imperial Family of Russia. It was most certainly an achievement in its time, and just lay off the whole inaccuracy deal. I for one enjoy watching this film from time to time, despite its perfidiousness.

Bare my impudence no attention, but Olga was 22 at the time of her death...sorry I'm a little OCD when it comes down to that x__x

[Grace]

I feel Anna makes a good point. When we come down to it, Nicholas & Alexandra was for entertainment purposes only, not to educate the myriads of the populace on the exact facts of Russian Royalty. Yes, we most certainly do find this scene vulgar and dripping with excess Hollywood drama, but it's just another ploy by film producers to keep the audience tuned in. I mean, admit it.

And all this talk of how cheap and bad the film is, wake up call people, it was made over 30 years ago when little was known or cared for on the topic of the last Imperial Family of Russia. It was most certainly an achievement in its time, and just lay off the whole inaccuracy deal. I for one enjoy watching this film from time to time, despite its perfidiousness.

Bare my impudence no attention, but Olga was 22 at the time of her death...sorry I'm a little OCD when it comes down to that x__x

You may be correct that this film was made more for entertainment purposes than for educational ones, but to say that when it was made, little was known or cared for on the topic of the last Imperial Family of Russia is rubbish!  Robert Massie's book was written before this!  You speak of it being an 'achievement of its time' as if it was made before the days of great cinema - we are talking 1971 here - not 1921.  Films of far greater magnitude had been made well before this.  I simply think there is no excuse for the misleading errors in this movie, purporting to portray people who were real and, let's face it, their story was dramatic and rivetting enough without the false embellishments this film provides - not to mention those absurd hairstyles! 

[NAOTMAA Fan]

You may be correct that this film was made more for entertainment purposes than for educational ones, but to say that when it was made, little was known or cared for on the topic of the last Imperial Family of Russia is rubbish!  Robert Massie's book was written before this!  You speak of it being an 'achievement of its time' as if it was made before the days of great cinema - we are talking 1971 here - not 1921.  Films of far greater magnitude had been made well before this.  I simply think there is no excuse for the misleading errors in this movie, purporting to portray people who were real and, let's face it, their story was dramatic and rivetting enough without the false embellishments this film provides - not to mention those absurd hairstyles! 

I was only saying that people back then had less information about The Romanovs then we do today (thanks given to the Soviets). I think it goes without saying that I knew Robert K Massie's biography had been published beforehand, it being the basis for the entire production itself. And there wasn't any need to misinterpret my words, I simply meant that N&A was an achievement "IN" it's time, like Titanic is today. The money and all that spent on the film is more what I was referring to. It was a big production then, almost winning Best Picture. I'm a little worried that I'm coming of as snobbish or self righteous, I don't mean to. Just my opinion is all...

And I HAVE to agree with you Grace!! The hair was definitely influenced by trends of the day. Julie Christie, who played Lara in Doctor Zhivago, said in an interview about her film that looking back she realized how easily you can tell it was made in the 60's, because of the beehives they had on their heads! The same pretty much goes for N&A.

And your right, it was rather absurd of me to say that little interest was held for the Imperial Family back then, certainly my bad. Again, I hope I don't come off as stoical...

[rosieposie]

Oh come on. When will people realize that these movies are made for ENTERTAINMENT! They are films, not documentaries, if you want to see the exact story of the Tsar on screen watch The Last of the Tsars or something. They never, ever try to make it perfectly the same, it's the same when they're translating books into movies, things have to bee changed. To be historically accurate is not the point of the film.

The scene between Tatiana and the guard is distasteful to us, but not to the general public who don't know that much about NAOTMAA because they haven't specially researched it. To people who don't know that much about the Romanovs, that scene just shows a scared and confused girl, who's 21 and is being repressed in every-way, socially and sexually. And to be honest, there's no real proof one of OTMA would not have done something like that. Like dimitri said, no one knows how they would have reacted to being put in captivity and having their whole life turned upside down so suddenly, especially at those ages, 23, 21, 19, 17. People those ages have usually developed sexually, and these days most are sexually active by then. It's no stretch to imagine that Tatiana, or any one of the girls secretly wanted to try sex and were feeling sexually repressed. OTMA were not saints, they were normal people like you and me, who would have had normal feelings like you and me.

I'm not saying it's likely that this actually happened, it's probably very unlikely. It's just not impossible.

I agree with you.   They were just like anyone else.  They would of had repressed sexual tension.  Even if they were sheltered they would of had those kind of feelings.

[clockworkgirl21]

I wonder how much OTMA really knew about sex, anyway.  OT were nurses, so they saw many undressed men, I'm sure. So they had to be at least semi-aware. MA, who knows?

I'm not saying Tatiana would have actually done anything like that, but just because she's religious doesn't mean she wouldn't. I know many teenagers who come from religious families do and say things you wouldn't think they would!

[Grace]

I agree with you.   They were just like anyone else.  They would of had repressed sexual tension.  Even if they were sheltered they would of had those kind of feelings.

OTMA did not live in a time when the topic of sexuality constantly surrounded them from early childhood as is the case today.  This is nonsense to claim they 'would have had repressed sexual tension'.  No doubt, as maturing young women, they would have been aware of their sexuality, especially in the contact that they did have with young men, but this is hardly the same thing as repression.  Some of you posters really need to acquaint yourselves a little better with the times in which the Grand Duchesses lived, as well as with their individual characters.