Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"

[Olishka~ Pincess]

I am quite sure they know alot about OTMA's characters and personalities. They were only being, questionable about some things they were uncertain, about what happened with the girls in their private life? I realy think that sexuality was not a important discussion during their time. In the movie Nicholas and Alexandra, all that mattered was the money they did not care about what they made the movie on it realy was ,what were they getting from doing the movie?  The actor of Alexei's his cries and moans sounded phony and fake.

Many things in the movie was not set up correctly like the girls did not look anything like OTMA and the did not have the same hairstyles as they did. The movie,the plot and climax was not even correct. The murder scene was not right. They just came without even saying anything and just shoot the family, they did not even tell them that they were to shot them. They just, came out of nowhere and just shot them. It did not, happen that way. The commander Yurovsky told them, they were to be executed and Nicholas was holding the paper. He replyed 'what'...then so on they shot them...so on. That is what realy happened.

[anna11]

Some of you posters really need to acquaint yourselves a little better with the times in which the Grand Duchesses lived, as well as with their individual characters.

Excuse me, I know what times they lived in, and exactly the regard in which sex was treated around them, as well as quite a bit about their individual personalities.

The point is that in those times, just because they were raised in a time where sex was not discussed at all, does not mean they not would have become sexually aware as young women. And at 21, you are a women. Regardless of what times you lived, at that time you are able to have children, are able to have sex, and usually you are doing both of those things by then, especially in those times. Women were married young. Even if you have no idea about any of that, you can still have sexual feelings.

And the way they were raised makes it even more likely they were feeling sexually repressed, especially considering the HUGE changes that had happened in their life. And if DID Tatiana felt like that, it doesn't de-moralize her in any way. She was religious, and extremely good, but she was a person just like us who begins to feel sexual at that age. People haven't changed.

[loulia]

It's maybe a bit out of topic, but my grand mother explained me that when she was young,about eighteen, before her wedding, during the 40's, she didn't understand the link between the facts that some women became fat and then she saw them with babies, she had no idea there was a link between those two facts. As it was in the 40's and my grandmother lived not in a social background as high as OTMA, I guess OTMA had absolutly no idea of what  was sex and how develop a sexual intercourse. I think their only knowledge was what they saw when they worked as nurses, but to see a man nacked doesn't help you to understand what is suppose to happen during a sexual intercourse. I don't think they were aware of which kind of desire the guards could feel for them, and of what they expected from girls.

[loulia]

actually I read my post, and no it's not out of topic! I've just changed my lind on what to say while I was writting...

[clockworkgirl21]

In N&A, I was less bothered about wrong hairstyles and the murder scene than I was about Nicholas telling Alexandra it was her fault Aleksey was sick. I also had to laugh at how N&A called Rasputin...Rasputin. Rasputin wasn't a name given to him for a nice reason. In the Wartime Correspondance(sp) of N&A, A mentioned in a letter to N that she was trying to break someone of the habit of "calling Father Grigori Rasputin." I can't remember who it was, though.

I wasn't saying that OT would understand how intercouse worked just from being nurses, but I thought they might have understood  men and women had different body parts for reproduction. But...maybe I'm wrong.

[helenazar]

I also had to laugh at how N&A called Rasputin...Rasputin. Rasputin wasn't a name given to him for a nice reason. In the Wartime Correspondance(sp) of N&A, A mentioned in a letter to N that she was trying to break someone of the habit of "calling Father Grigori Rasputin."

N&A never called Rasputin "Rasputin". They always referred to him as either "Father Grigori" or "Our Friend". The script writers obviously didn't do their homework ;-).

[Grace]

Indeed, Helen.  I've always failed to see why this movie gets so much attention on these threads.  It is just a bad, bad movie and I can't imagine anyone who is interested in the Romanovs or knows much about them, thinking otherwise.

[clockworkgirl21]

Well, N&A isn't really meant to focus on the personal life of the Romanovs as much as it's about the politics surrounding Nicholas. It's a decent movie if the FF button works on the remote.

[NAOTMAA Fan]

Indeed, Helen.  I've always failed to see why this movie gets so much attention on these threads.  It is just a bad, bad movie and I can't imagine anyone who is interested in the Romanovs or knows much about them, thinking otherwise.

I'm left bereft of any patience for your antics Grace, the way you just swoop in with your domineering ideas and attitude and just assume you own the thread in question. I have no intentions on creating drama of any sort, but you constantly berating everyone on there "insufficient" knowledge of NAOTMAA and their "persons" is quite unnecessary. Who cares if you feel this movie was a slanderous machination, what stops any person who loves or is interested in The Romanovs from having a liking towards this film? So according to your own beliefs, anyone who enjoys this film is a feckless idiot in regards to the Imperial Family?  Or is it rather that you simply have come into thinking that your knowledge of The Romanovs is all powerful and henceforth we should bow down to your eminence. I could easily be taking this out of proportions but I simply had to say something. I haven't any care for a reply, call me out with some synchronization of the English language if you feel it compulsory. I won't be posting here again with my "menial" comprehension of The Romanovs.

[anna11]

I agree! clapclap. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion remember! What you think isn't necessarily the only right thing to think.

[Belochka]

I also had to laugh at how N&A called Rasputin...Rasputin. Rasputin wasn't a name given to him for a nice reason. In the Wartime Correspondance(sp) of N&A, A mentioned in a letter to N that she was trying to break someone of the habit of "calling Father Grigori Rasputin."

N&A never called Rasputin "Rasputin". They always referred to him as either "Father Grigori" or "Our Friend". The script writers obviously didn't do their homework ;-).

In fact, Grigorii Rasputin was never ordained into the Orthodox Church. Strictly speaking he could never have been refered to as "Otets Grigori" (Father).

Margarita

[Georgiy]

While this is true, in GD Olga's diary, she does refer to him as otets Grigorii - perhaps in the sense that she regarded his as a starets.

[Grace]

Indeed, Helen.  I've always failed to see why this movie gets so much attention on these threads.  It is just a bad, bad movie and I can't imagine anyone who is interested in the Romanovs or knows much about them, thinking otherwise.

I'm left bereft of any patience for your antics Grace, the way you just swoop in with your domineering ideas and attitude and just assume you own the thread in question. I have no intentions on creating drama of any sort, but you constantly berating everyone on there "insufficient" knowledge of NAOTMAA and their "persons" is quite unnecessary. Who cares if you feel this movie was a slanderous machination, what stops any person who loves or is interested in The Romanovs from having a liking towards this film? So according to your own beliefs, anyone who enjoys this film is a feckless idiot in regards to the Imperial Family?  Or is it rather that you simply have come into thinking that your knowledge of The Romanovs is all powerful and henceforth we should bow down to your eminence. I could easily be taking this out of proportions but I simply had to say something. I haven't any care for a reply, call me out with some synchronization of the English language if you feel it compulsory. I won't be posting here again with my "menial" comprehension of The Romanovs.

My antics?  NAOTMAA, my antics are my opinions which, as a registered poster here, I believe I'm allowed to express.  If you don't agree with them, that's fine by me because you're allowed your say as well.  As to me 'swooping' in here, I wasn't under the impression that I'm limited to certain threads only? 

Also, I did not refer to anyone or their opinions as 'menial' nor did I call anyone a 'feckless idiot' either.  My knowledge on the Romanovs is not all powerful - did I claim it was? 

If you like Nicholas and Alexandra, fine.  Just because I don't and I say this, you don't have to flounce off in a huff!

[Olishka~ Pincess]

I also had to laugh at how N&A called Rasputin...Rasputin. Rasputin wasn't a name given to him for a nice reason. In the Wartime Correspondance(sp) of N&A, A mentioned in a letter to N that she was trying to break someone of the habit of "calling Father Grigori Rasputin."

N&A never called Rasputin "Rasputin". They always referred to him as either "Father Grigori" or "Our Friend". The script writers obviously didn't do their homework ;-).

Yes I agree in the movie they did not even get that right. Alexandra never called him Rasputin becuase she thought it was disrespectful and always treated him equal. In her letters mainly she calls him 'our friend'  than 'Father Grigori'. They realy did not have alot of facts in the movie. I don't think the script know anything about the imperial family that much. They did all of this for the sake of money.

[anna11]

Of course they did. All movies are made for money, and see my post last page. I'm not saying you can't not like this movie, but to dislike it simply because it is not 100% accurate and silly and unrealistic.

And if you watch the film, Alix and Nicky almost always refers to him as 'Father Grigori' or 'Our friend.'