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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #135 on: October 19, 2007, 09:52:02 AM »
Strictly speaking he could never have been refered to as "Otets Grigori" (Father).

But he was referred to as exactly that by the IF.

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #136 on: October 19, 2007, 11:42:39 AM »
Personally I think it's the stupidest movie ever made. There are too many mistakes and it focuses on only a page of the Romanov's story.....badly.
It's seems like they literally took Massie's book and ripped out anything to do with the children and then took the entire family's story and mutated it beyond recognition.

But ignorant or not, liking this film has nothing to do with how much you know about the Romanovs or how much you love them. Just the fact that the film tries to give some account of their lives is enough for us, the people who really love them, to appreciate it.

"It is just a bad, bad movie and I can't imagine anyone who is interested in the Romanovs or knows much about them, thinking otherwise."
Grace, not only was that rude, but completely incorrect. I know just as much as you or anyone else and I don't have a fit whenever I hear about this film. IT'S JUST A FILM. Some of us find pleasure in watching ANYTHING that has to do with them. Maybe it's just an extremely intense passion that I and NAOTMAA have but in any case you don't need to resort to what you said. Have a little respect.

(And, may I just say, NAOTMAA you have an amazing vocabulary for your age! You sound more intelligent than the people posting that are much older than you. Wow.)
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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #137 on: October 19, 2007, 12:29:30 PM »
I don't think it's the stupidest movie ever made, since there are so many other movies out there that are much much worse than this one (for example that horrible Rasputin with Christopher Lee, and some other "winners"...). But it certainly not one of the best films I've seen either. It certainly has not done any justice to the book it was based on, but films rarely do. It was a sort of mediocre movie, not good but not awful, IMO.

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #138 on: October 19, 2007, 12:37:55 PM »
does anyone have any screencaps of Tatiana from "Nicholas and Alexandra" or of the other girls?

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #139 on: October 19, 2007, 01:15:00 PM »
I agree, Helen.
"Господь им дал дар по молитвам их размягчать окаменелые наши сердца за их страдания..Мне думается, что если люди будут молиться Царской Cемье, оттают сердца с Божией помощью."

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #140 on: October 20, 2007, 02:14:16 AM »
Here Cambria_Coheed  Tatiana is where she is in the real ones.




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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #141 on: October 20, 2007, 01:28:26 PM »
thanks anna! they are awesome! i love how they recreacted pictures from the 1913 photoshoot ;D

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #142 on: October 20, 2007, 04:33:28 PM »
"It is just a bad, bad movie and I can't imagine anyone who is interested in the Romanovs or knows much about them, thinking otherwise."
Grace, not only was that rude, but completely incorrect. I know just as much as you or anyone else and I don't have a fit whenever I hear about this film. IT'S JUST A FILM. Some of us find pleasure in watching ANYTHING that has to do with them. Maybe it's just an extremely intense passion that I and NAOTMAA have but in any case you don't need to resort to what you said. Have a little respect.
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In fact it wasn't rude, Holly, to simply state that I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good film.  That is called a differing opinion.  Please learn the difference between that and 'rudeness' or lack of 'respect'.

Although I haven't seen the film for many years, I think that as well as being poorly researched and historically inaccurate in so many ways, it creates not a shred of empathy for what the family went through, particularly in their last days.  As I said earlier, if you enjoy this film, watch it, but stop calling me out because I don't.  Thank you.       


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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #143 on: October 20, 2007, 06:07:49 PM »
In fact it wasn't rude, Holly, to simply state that I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good film.  That is called a differing opinion.  Please learn the difference between that and 'rudeness' or lack of 'respect'.

If you want to state such an opinion why can't you just say you don't like the film instead of saying you can't imagine anyone who knows about the Romanovs liking it at all? A forum is for expressing opinions but you need to do it in way you won't offend people.
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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #144 on: October 20, 2007, 06:12:57 PM »
I've always failed to see why this movie gets so much attention on these threads.  It is just a bad, bad movie and I can't imagine anyone who is interested in the Romanovs or knows much about them, thinking otherwise.

Then might I suggest an imagination transplant?  ;^)

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« Reply #145 on: October 21, 2007, 12:52:56 AM »
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In fact it wasn't rude, Holly, to simply state that I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good film.  That is called a differing opinion.  Please learn the difference between that and 'rudeness' or lack of 'respect'.

Erm...that is being rude, because you are implying that anyone who does like the film isn't as good as you. You could just say 'I hate this movie' not 'I hate this movie and if you don't hate it you're stupid.' because opinion means something that you think, but someone else doesn't necessarily think.

Accept that others love this movie, and have just as much genuine interest as the real Romanovs as you do.

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #146 on: October 21, 2007, 01:56:33 AM »
How about some of you getting back to the topic which is "Tatiana in 'Nicholas and Alexandra'"?  Sorry to rock the boat by disagreeing with some of you but that's how it is around here sometimes.

Now, can we kindly MOVE ON?   

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #147 on: October 21, 2007, 08:05:03 AM »
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In fact it wasn't rude, Holly, to simply state that I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good film.  That is called a differing opinion.  Please learn the difference between that and 'rudeness' or lack of 'respect'.

Erm...that is being rude, because you are implying that anyone who does like the film isn't as good as you. You could just say 'I hate this movie' not 'I hate this movie and if you don't hate it you're stupid.' because opinion means something that you think, but someone else doesn't necessarily think.

Accept that others love this movie, and have just as much genuine interest as the real Romanovs as you do.
Yes it was harsh Grace, to say 'I can't imagine anyone thinking this is a good film' becuase when you said that it seem that you were saying that anyone who liked the movie was not too wise. That opinion realy could, have hurt someone's feelings. 
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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #148 on: October 22, 2007, 12:13:28 AM »
Well, people, no. I think she isn't being harsh. She is plainly saying the true. I have this movie. See it time to time, just to have some recreation (of course, I think it's a very bad one) from NAOTMAA's time. But even if I can amuse yself watching "Nicholas and Alexandra", I can't said I like it. Every time I put it (my mother ask me to do so, since she also likes to watch it  ;D) I start to shout things to the screen since the very moment it sarts until it ends. Too much inaccuracies.

I know that I've said it before, but the thing that always bothers me when watching an historical movie is that, when you depicts a person who REALLY EXISTED (keep this in mind), the wrong way (I mean, the way he/she were not) , you are slandering them. You are offending them. Dead people also has their dignity, and of course family who survived them and still loves and respect them. We have no right to fantazise about their lifes. Much less if these people ended tragically shot in an ignominious cellar. We NEVER must made up facts about victims of ANY tragic event of the past. ANY victim from any political or religious view must be cried and respected by us.

Sometimes, movies are a little too "light" to tell us these kind of stories and we must not allow this to happen.

Watching "Nicholas and Alexandra" wouldn't mean you are not intelligent or mean. You may see it with a critical eye, and even enjoy it. But writing which are their weak points and to complain about it in public for being somewhat offended by the way they showed Tatiana and the girls (and even Alexis) is not to be insulting or blaming the people who whatchs this movie.

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Re: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"
« Reply #149 on: October 22, 2007, 01:37:39 AM »
It makes me think about the trial between MGM and Irina yussupova, I agree with you, when you show people who have really existed, and you name them, you have no right to innacurencies, even if (or especially) if they are dead