Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"

[Sarastasia]

I know. When the guard came into the room, I thought they were going to chat to him, like they always did... never that!
Yes, I noted the hair styles as well. They had Olga and Tatiana which hair put up, but not Maria and Anastasia. It took me a while to figure out who was who for this. Anastasia was obvious, but as for OTM...
I think, in the scenes where the Tsar said such lines, they were not said in a VERY posionous way, like they could have been said. I agree that the Tsar would not have said some of these things. And the one where he says "You gave it to him!" I think was just in a heated up argument and they were just firing things back and forth. But when the Tsar said something, that could have been taken the wrong way (because to me, the sarcasm was not very strong) Alexandra just smiled and laughed. Just like when they were at Livadia.

I wonder if they cut the scene from the original theater release as well?

As for this, I am not sure; I only have the DVD and I was not around in the 1970s. The DVD does not say "Previously unreleased scenes" or something like that. And as you can see from the photos, it did happen!
It may have been cut from the theatre and VHS edition, I suppose because the rating for Britain is only a PG (Parental Guidance) so ANYONE can watch it. I did sit there and think... Hang on, this is a PG. How can some of these scenes be allow in?

Another thing that bothered me was Alexei's character. Apart from the fact as I mentioned previously that he was born at 11 pounds, whereas in the film they said 8 pounds, I think they got his character all wrong. I thought that he was a nice, chrming boy. Not one to say things like "It's hopeless, isn't it father" and "You didn't even ask!" or even that stunt he pulled in Tobolsk! To me, they showed him as been a miserable little boy, especially towards the end. But that's not for here.

Sarastasia

P.S.: Did Alexei actually pull that stunt?
P.P.S.: Did anyone notice that all the Imperial Family went together to Ekaterinburg? When really, Nikolai, Alexandra and Maria went first. Then Olga, Tatiana, Anastasia and Alexei came later on??

[clockworkgirl21]

Well, it depends, about the rating. Did she show any actual nudity? If not, it could maybe still be PG. But also, many movies show bare female chests, and are rated PG13. Two I can think of are Titanic and the Company.
I also agree about Aleksey. He was so boring and lifeless. What stunt are you speaking of? Riding his sled down the stairs? There's a thread about that in Aleksey's boards. When I left off, some people weren't even sure if it even happened at all.

[Sarushka]

P.S.: Did Alexei actually pull that stunt?

As Lisa Marie said, it's hard to be sure. Here's the thread where it's discussed:
Riding his sled down the stairs

[Sarastasia]

Well, it depends, about the rating. Did she show any actual nudity? If not, it could maybe still be PG. But also, many movies show bare female chests, and are rated PG13. Two I can think of are Titanic and the Company.  

No, you only saw her open her dressing gown, but did not actually she her chest bare. But surely, the ide of it...
Actually, Titanic in Britain had a 12 rating on it, because of all the swearing and the bit where Kate Winslet is naked and stuff. Never heard of the Company?

Either way, it's not the rating that bothers me. It was the way they portraied Tatiana for this scene, and also when they tried to make out that she fancied Monsieur Gilliard. -Never happened?

Yes, Alexei was always a charming young boy in my mind, not ALWAYS pessimistic!

Sarushka: Thanks for the link!!!

Sarastasia xx

[Russian_Duchess_#5]

I think that in N & A, NAOTMAA were portrayed all as their exact opposite, except for Anastasiya, actually. Just think about it and you will see...
I saw this movie before even knowing about the Romanovs, well, knowing just a few scraps about OTMA, and I personally thought that Tatiyana was Marie, Olga was Tatiyana, and other sorts of jumbled things!
Anyways, remember that in the 1970's, the IFs weren't known as much as we do today.
They keep on making remakes of certain movies, when there should be a remake of THIIS movie, it really needs it..

sofia

[koloagirl]

 

I agree that many parts of this movie were rubbish --
however, I do think it is the best movie so far that has been made about the IF.

I agree with all the comments about the inappropriateness of the scene with GD Tatiana and OTMA in general ---

The scene that makes me like this film is the tender way that Nikki and Alix hold each other after putting the chair under the doorknob in Ekaterinburg ---- that I always remember and would like to think that it really happened (and probably did).

Time for a re-make!!!!

Janet R.

[Margarita Markovna]

If it's a relatively old movie, the PG rating might be PG13 today. Does anyone know the movie "Summer of '42"? If you're familiar with it, you would know that it should be PG13  but it's old and the rating system was different when it was made. It's the same with Monty Python and the Holy Grail...that Sir Galahad tale definitly wouldn't be PG today.

[clockworkgirl21]

No, you only saw her open her dressing gown, but did not actually she her chest bare. But surely, the ide of it...

Nah, I have the movie. It shows her chest for a few seconds as she's getting on the couch.

and also when they tried to make out that she fancied Monsieur Gilliard. -Never happened?

Hmm. I don't remember this either. But I have have missed it because the tape was probably older than I am, and I spent half the movie at the VCR fixing the tracking.

I don't think PG13 was created until 1984. Has anyone seen Rasputin, the one with Alan Rickman? I really like that one. I know it isn't accurate at all, but in my opinion, the acting is better than in N&A.

[Sarushka]

Has anyone seen Rasputin, the one with Alan Rickman? I really like that one. I know it isn't accurate at all, but in my opinion, the acting is better than in N&A.

LOVE that movie! Fortunately, I saw it before I knew enough details of Romanov history to pick apart the errors. The mistakes aren't horrifying -- more like artistic license, particularly with the timeline -- and the acting is much better than N&A, as far as I'm concerned.

[RomanovFan318]

They keep on making remakes of certain movies, when there should be a remake of THIIS movie, it really needs it..

sofia

Agree with you! This movie is in need of a remake. I've been thinking that for the past few years. I just hope that if and when  they decide to do it they don't spice it up just to sell it. I also hope they make it a bit more accurate and do  NOT include the scene with Tatiana baring herself for the guard.  
And this may be nit-picking a bit but they need to at least get the Grand Duchess's hair color correct. Olga was a blonde.

[Robby]

I will NOT believe this!

They should have read the book(s) more carefully to know that Tatiana Nikolaevna Romanova would NEVER do such a thing!!

These people only want to make some money!

[Sarastasia]

Quote:No, you only saw her open her dressing gown, but did not actually she her chest bare. But surely, the ide of it...  

Nah, I have the movie. It shows her chest for a few seconds as she's getting on the couch.

As she's getting on the couch? There's not a couch in the room on my version. You just see her open her dressing gown and the man stares for a few seconds then leaves... Tatiana gets up set and Olga comofrts her. - If I'm not mistaken?

Quote:and also when they tried to make out that she fancied Monsieur Gilliard. -Never happened?  
 
Hmm. I don't remember this either. But I have have missed it because the tape was probably older than I am, and I spent half the movie at the VCR fixing the tracking.  

It was when OTMA were at Spala, and they were painting with Monsieur Gilliard. Anastasia was doing a horse's head while Tatiana is drawing M. Gilliard and Anastasia sees her, and Tatiana asks if she caught his eyes correctly (or something)! Either way, it seems like that to me, they're hinting at Tatiana fancied him!

Sarastasia

[Tania]

I'm just wondering, why is it so important to bring up these particular issue(s) of nudity, bare chests, and or other disagreable issues, when if one reads all there is to read about these particular innocent children, that issues and or even speaking about such things was far from their minds. It behooves me even more that after the main point is responded to, continuance of trying to bring up further unjustifiable questions ensue. If one knows what PG is, why push the envelope to have it disected even more and to compare what nudity, etc. is or has been in other movies ? Why ?

If it is to gain attention of readers, you certainly have accomplished just that. The children of today, certainly are far advanced in ratings of pg, etc. Of course, there are some who are not so 'worldy', but remain as devout as these children were.

In the way the Tsar's children were raised, nothing could be farther from any of the family's thoughts, or their children's actions, or hearts, that had to do with x rated issues. !!!

I don't exactly understand the thinking behind this at all, and or bringing this up at all. You can't stain the memories of these innocent children, or any of their memories with this type of trash, not ever.

When one sees movies of now days, or books, the truth is not necessarily expected, and or offered justifiably. Embellishments are always added, and the things that have been brought up, are for selling purposes, if not to make bottom line, PROFIT in considertion of some movies or some books written on their IH, their children's lives ! This does not mean any of it is true. We don't need to join the movie industry to promote their type of headlining, attention getting notices !

Just my 1 cent.

Tatiana

Well, it depends, about the rating. Did she show any actual nudity? If not, it could maybe still be PG. But also, many movies show bare female chests, and are rated PG13. Two I can think of are Titanic and the Company.
I also agree about Aleksey. He was so boring and lifeless. What stunt are you speaking of? Riding his sled down the stairs? There's a thread about that in Aleksey's boards. When I left off, some people weren't even sure if it even happened at all.

[Sarushka]

The children of today, certainly are far advanced in ratings of pg, etc.

But it's interesting, isn't it, that the young members of the forum are just as irritated by this scene with Tatiana as the older ones!   Kids today may be exposed to more nudity and violence than children of yore, but that doesn't mean they don't know when it's inappropriate.

[Sarastasia]

I'm just wondering, why is it so important to bring up these particular issue(s) of nudity, bare chests, and or other disagreable issues, when if one reads all there is to read about these particular innocent children, that issues and or even speaking about such things was far from their minds.

I brought this matter up because I was so DISGUSTED with the way the film makers portayed Tatiana in N & A, with this particular and wanted to know if others on this forum felt the same.
I knew taht such thoughts and acts would have never occured with OTMAA, but I still think it should be discussed. And I think that the many responses show that many others agree.

But it's interesting, isn't it, that the young members of the forum are just as irritated by this scene with Tatiana as the older ones!   Kids today may be exposed to more nudity and violence than children of yore, but that doesn't mean they don't know when it's inappropriate.

I agree! I would class myself as a younger member of this forum, and I started this whole thing and am extremely irritated and slightly sad that N & A film makers chose to show Tatiana in this false light.
Yes, we are exposed to much more nudity and violence today compared to that of say OTMAA's time, but I think it is more often than not inappropiate.
But in this instance, not only is in inappropriate, it's historically inaccurate and just wrong.

Sarastasia