Author Topic: Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra" (Read 81127 times)

Georgiy · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2006, 01:55:22 PM »

I think, when it was originally released in cinemas, many years ago, that particular scene was not included, thank God. For some reason, with the DVD release, scenes cut from the original release were reinserted. Some scenes should have been left on the cutting room floor where they belonged. That scene was just abhorrant.

Tania · « **Reply #31 on:** January 11, 2006, 05:02:22 PM »

Sarushka,

I have to agree withyou Sarushka, and do note that some of the young members are irritated that these scenes in some films are depicting nudity, etc. Hopefully most will agree that these scenes are very inappropriate. What I would like to see perhaps even more is youth making a cohesive effort in writing to these film companys to stop depicting frames of these type of scenes.

My apology was sent out to Sarastasia, and I hope she understood my thoughts as well.

Thanks for bringing up the important fact how movies as such clearly affects youngsters.

Tatiana

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But it's interesting, isn't it, that the young members of the forum are just as irritated by this scene with Tatiana as the older ones! Kids today may be exposed to more nudity and violence than children of yore, but that doesn't mean they don't know when it's inappropriate.

Azarias · « **Reply #32 on:** January 12, 2006, 02:19:52 AM »

Oftentimes writers and movie makers want to bring history in ways that will make us see things from today's perspective - a fresh and "new understanding."

People seem to forget that the way we handled situations in our own lives "back when" might be different at times than the way we might approach it today. Simply - times, people and societies do evolve.

Another problem with history is to judge it by today's thoughts and standards. If you really want to be fair you must try to not only understand the mindset of the individual, but also the general climate of the era.

The Empress was a Victorian lady, close to Queen Victoria herself. The Empress was considered by many of her contemporaries to be too modest if not a prude. Obviously the Victorians did have back stair goings on as well in silence. I am quite willing to believe that the Empress was every bit of a perfectly modest lady of the era. As such, wouldn't she have raised her daughters with the same values?

I think it was all about sales and ratings. And as long as people accept it and it works financially, they'll keep it up.

Sarastasia · « **Reply #33 on:** January 12, 2006, 11:14:59 AM »

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Oftentimes writers and movie makers want to bring history in ways that will make us see things from today's perspective - a fresh and "new understanding."

People seem to forget that the way we handled situations in our own lives "back when" might be different at times than the way we might approach it today. Simply - times, people and societies do evolve.

Yes: movie makers do choose what is best for them... which is most likely money. And fair enough we don't really know every single thing that happened, but I'm sure that most if not ALL of the members of this forum that know Tatiana can strongly say that such an occurance NEVER happened.

"Back when" surely did have a much more... controlled society than today. - Controlled is not the right word - What I mean by this is that they, esp. upper class, were very in a way tamed, not allowed to think what people might think today about topics such as nudity, violence, etc. I think one way to put it was that they were more modest, respectful and innocent... traits which no doubt would have been relayed on to OTMAA.

Do others agree or am I just waffling?

Sarastasia

clockworkgirl21 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2006, 03:03:30 PM »

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As she's getting on the couch? There's not a couch in the room on my version. You just see her open her dressing gown and the man stares for a few seconds then leaves... Tatiana gets up set and Olga comofrts her. - If I'm not mistaken?

Ohh...I was talking about Titanic.

About nothing like this entering OTMA's minds, I agree. But I don't expect Hollywood to respect it, no matter how much I believe they should.

Azarias · « **Reply #35 on:** January 12, 2006, 03:08:38 PM »

Yes Sarastasia, I think we agree.

Sarastasia · « **Reply #36 on:** January 13, 2006, 11:30:16 AM »

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Yes Sarastasia, I think we agree.

Yeah... sorry about not getting to the point in my last posting... didn't know quite how to write how I felt...

Kimberly · « **Reply #37 on:** January 13, 2006, 04:11:51 PM »

I saw this movie many years ago when it was first released. My mum ( God rest her) dragged me to see it because she liked Michael Jayston. Anyway, about the repugnant scene...I feel that it is the Guard who is demeaned by "Tatiana's" actions and not Tatiana herself. Just my humble opinion

Sarastasia · « **Reply #38 on:** January 14, 2006, 08:22:26 AM »

Yes, I suppose it was partly the guards fault. But still the Tatiana in N&A didn't even wait for him to demand to see her or something like that... she just did it!

Alixz · « **Reply #39 on:** January 14, 2006, 06:26:09 PM »

You know it is eerie that I just received that DVD of N&A this past week. I have had the VHS since it first came out in the 1980's (back when VHS tapes cost as much as $200 - I think I paid an astounding $89.95 because I wanted it so badly)

I think that the scene was included so that Tatiana's age could be revealed. She says that she is "21 and has never been seen by a man". It was entirely artisic license to give the non-Romanov viewer some idea of what was going on.

But you are right, I just re-watched it today and had trouble telling the girls apart, but if you watch closely, they mostly stand in OTMA order or walk in or out of a room in OTMA order.

I think the worst historical inaccuracy is that they all left Tobolsk at the same time and on the same train. However Alexis got hurt (sledding down a flight of stairs or not) he was injured and had to be left behind with OT&A.

And I was more uncomfortable with Nicholas sliding the chair against the door. In a house where they were watched closely and the doors had no locks, I can't imagine that either N or A would have been comfortable "letting down her hair".

Again it was artisic license to let the viewer know that even in the face of adversity they were still lovers or deeply in love.

The movie is long enough and hard to sit through even with the intermission which no movie has today, I don't know how else the producer could have gotten the story across.

Does anyone know if R Massie consulted on the screen version or if he just sold the movie rights and walked away?

Sarushka · « **Reply #40 on:** January 15, 2006, 02:18:08 PM »

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And I was more uncomfortable with Nicholas sliding the chair against the door. In a house where they were watched closely and the doors had no locks, I can't imagine that either N or A would have been comfortable "letting down her hair".

Remember, though, that the Bolsheviks did find a few items in N&A's bedroom which would indicate that even under captivity, they were still intimate!

Sarastasia · « **Reply #41 on:** January 15, 2006, 02:24:03 PM »

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I think that the scene was included so that Tatiana's age could be revealed. She says that she is "21 and has never been seen by a man". It was entirely artisic license to give the non-Romanov viewer some idea of what was going on.
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I think the worst historical inaccuracy is that they all left Tobolsk at the same time and on the same train. However Alexis got hurt (sledding down a flight of stairs or not) he was injured and had to be left behind with OT&A.

Yes, I suppose since she says that she is 21... but the film makers could have done it a hundred different ways and included ALL of NAOTMAA's ages (even thought they did N and A's) in ways that were true to their characteristics and their true selves. Do you not agree?
Yes, I sat that thinking about the crowd that greeted them when they arrived at Ekaterinburg and thought "Hang about: OTAA arrived later than NAM! What's going on?" I even think if they portrayed this in the way it happened, it'd have been even more dramatic because you'd have to see a distraut Alexandra leaving four of her five children (one of which was Alexei) alone for a while under arrest and to get to Ekaterinburg separately...
Where it was said about artistic license, I think that film makers making historical films should have VERY LITTLE artistic license as they are trying to relay the facts. If they try to making everything melodramatic to make more money, then they are just compromising their efforts before the film is even released!! Sure, they are allowed a little for shady areas and they might play with the dates of events of no consequence (e.g.: if they portray when OTMA go to a concert and do it on the 12th July rather than the 17th...) but no licsence should be as big to allow a MASSIVE discrepancy is character!

RomanovFan · « **Reply #42 on:** January 16, 2006, 02:54:35 PM »

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Anyone know how old she was?

Tatiana was 21-years-old at the time of the murders, I believe. Just turned 21 in fact. Her birthday was June 11th in the New Calendar. Olga was 22, Marie was 19, Anastasia was 17 and Aleksei was 13. Nicky and Alix were 50 and 46.

Romanov_Fan19 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 16, 2006, 06:24:44 PM »

I Thought Alexei was 14 not 13

Georgiy · « **Reply #44 on:** January 16, 2006, 07:50:30 PM »

He was a few weeks shy of his 14th birthday.

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