Tatiana in "Nicholas and Alexandra"

[Sarastasia]

Yes... it is just Hollywood trying to make some more bucks and ignoring the truth... again

[NAOTMAA Fan]

I think its quite an outrage that Robert K Massie didn't do something about this scene, surely he read the script?? Tatiana was dignified and respectable of the sisters, called "The Governess" even. Honestly now 

[clockworkgirl21]

Did Massie have any power over the production? If not, they probably would have laughed at him if he tried to stop them from adding that scene.

The girls, and also Aleksey, were sort of "just there" in N&A. I'm sure they just picked a random girl, and wrote it in that she would expose herself for shock value to the audience. I just sort of rolled my eyes when I first saw it, because of how dramatic they tried to make it. It just came across as stupid.

[dmitri]

The film was based on Massie's book about Nicholas and Alexandra. It concentrated on them and not their children. Of course the children were seen very briefly like Alexis when he was sick or at the Crimea and the girls putting on a play and dancing with the soldiers in the snow and earlier as young children and also in the final death scene. The point is the film was about their parents and not OTMA and Alexis. Time also made it totally impossible to devote a larger section to the children as after all they were dealing with from 1904-1918 in a matter of hours. That is quite a remarkable feat really. It is not that bad a film on the whole.

[azrael7171918]

Did Massie have any power over the production? If not, they probably would have laughed at him if he tried to stop them from adding that scene.

The girls, and also Aleksey, were sort of "just there" in N&A. I'm sure they just picked a random girl, and wrote it in that she would expose herself for shock value to the audience. I just sort of rolled my eyes when I first saw it, because of how dramatic they tried to make it. It just came across as stupid.

I remember hearing the Massies walkout of the premier. I think once a book goes into the hands of producer and screenwriter the author looses all rights to it.

[dmitri]

well it is difficult to bring a book of hundreds and hundreds of pages to the screen successfully .. I for one believe they did quite a good job for the time apart from placing some scenes in the wrong order

[NAOTMAA Fan]

Now well I have no problem with the film in it's entirety, quite on the contrary really. I enjoy this film very much, and yes I am aware of the fact that like the biography, Nicholas and Alexandra focuses on, well, Nicholas and Alexandra, and not OTMAA. It was just something I found irksome that they portrayed Tatiana in that scene as some desperate.... well trollop. 

[dmitri]

I guess we have no way of really knowing what happened to any of the daughters before their slaughter when they were in Ekaterinburg apart from a few diary entries.

[Annie]

He said something over the lines of "...What did you give me? Four girls, one sick boy..." UGH! Not accurate at all.

RealAnastasia.

He didn't say that, it was when he was talking about not having any friends because she didn't llike anybody and made him give them all up. He said "Do you know I haven't a single friend? I had to give Mama up because you hated her..I've got my family, four girls, one sick boy, and you.." So it was in an unfriendly context but not like 'that's all you gave me' which would be much worse.

[Louis_Charles]

Did Massie have any power over the production? If not, they probably would have laughed at him if he tried to stop them from adding that scene.

The girls, and also Aleksey, were sort of "just there" in N&A. I'm sure they just picked a random girl, and wrote it in that she would expose herself for shock value to the audience. I just sort of rolled my eyes when I first saw it, because of how dramatic they tried to make it. It just came across as stupid.

I remember hearing the Massies walkout of the premier. I think once a book goes into the hands of producer and screenwriter the author looses all rights to it.

The Massies did not walk out of the premiere, and while the movie probably didn't capture his book as perfectly as he and Suzanne Massie might have wished, they do not seem to have harbored ill-will about the experience. They discuss it in JOURNEY, their joint biography of the raising of Robert Massie, Jr., their hemophiliac son (and inspiration for the book).

Simon

[azrael7171918]

 Sorry Simon.

I had someone verify it who was either there or told by the Massie's themselves.


Azrael

[Louis_Charles]

Goodness. That means that they weren't telling the truth in print.

[LisaDavidson]

Actually, I think I can clear this one up. The Massies did not AFAIK walk out on the premiere. HSH Prince Vasili Alexandrovich, youngest son of GD Xenia, did serve as a technical advisor on the film. He felt he was not really listened to. According to his nephew, Prince Andrei Andreivich, Vasili walked out of the premiere. He was very fond of his Aunt Alix and felt that the portrayal of his relative was not fair to her at all. (By the way, children loved Alexandra.)

Andrei told me this in the early 1990's. The information was confirmed by Vasili's granddaughter about 10 years ago - her grandfather walked out on the premiere because of how Nicholas and Alexandra were portrayed in the film.

[helenazar]

Actually, I think I can clear this one up. The Massies did not AFAIK walk out on the premiere. HSH Prince Vasili Alexandrovich, youngest son of GD Xenia, did serve as a technical advisor on the film. He felt he was not really listened to. According to his nephew, Prince Andrei Andreivich, Vasili walked out of the premiere. He was very fond of his Aunt Alix and felt that the portrayal of his relative was not fair to her at all. (By the way, children loved Alexandra.)

This is another good example of how information can get totally distorted in retelling... This is why verbal testimonies are so unreliable.

[LisaDavidson]

Actually, I think I can clear this one up. The Massies did not AFAIK walk out on the premiere. HSH Prince Vasili Alexandrovich, youngest son of GD Xenia, did serve as a technical advisor on the film. He felt he was not really listened to. According to his nephew, Prince Andrei Andreivich, Vasili walked out of the premiere. He was very fond of his Aunt Alix and felt that the portrayal of his relative was not fair to her at all. (By the way, children loved Alexandra.)

This is another good example of how information can get totally distorted in retelling... This is why verbal testimonies are so unreliable.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. I was told essentially the same thing by two different people who were related to Prince Vasili.