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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #195 on: June 13, 2007, 04:41:28 PM »
Nuptial or wedding crown made form Pavel's the I brilliants - not from the belt of Catherine the II. Untill 1884 this crown every time was broken. After 1884 it wasn't broken.
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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #196 on: July 01, 2007, 08:41:46 PM »
That is correct.  The above list is one of the lists mentioned and describes jewels that MF had the use of.

I think that the Phenix list and the Meylan lists do match but I tend to agree with you that I have a feeling that the 76 items were perhap not the entire contents of the box.  I have read that MF only took to Kiev the peices that she considered to be essential for day toilettes (there are a alot of brooches) as she had no anticipation of attending formal events that would require full evening dress and thus jewellery to suit.

That tiara in QEII's collection, which hasn't been seen for a good while, is a bit of an enigma.  Much has always been made of May buying MF's jewels through Hennels at market value or above and I do believe that she did.  This tiara though could have been purchased privately after the sale and never included in it in the first place.........What do you think?

I finally got the Dagmar exhibition book and the inventory list in this and Meylan match, they're just laid out differently. From the article that William Clarke, who wrote Lost Fortune of the Tsars, wrote for the catalog, I think that the inventory consisted of all the items (76) that MF brought out. There's a brief description, given by Olga, of the 'box' sitting on MF's dressing table in the Crimea and how they were amazed it was bypassed in the searches. This doesn't sound like a very large, suitcase-size box. In addition, Olga relates how they sometimes hid their mother's jewels in coffee tins and placed them in the rocks on the cliffside to avoid detection. That also seems like a smaller number of items and ones that aren't very large. There doesn't seem to have been a tiara amongst them. Later, some boxes were sent to the Dowager Empress and marked jewellery and personal items but there was mostly rubbish in them. A few items did turn up later but what they were exacxtly, and what happened to them, weren't mentioned.

The other list in the exhibition book, the one that was very long, was the 1909 (?) list of Crown Jewels in MF's possession.
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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #197 on: August 04, 2007, 03:42:40 PM »
Bonjour !
Je viens de trouver plusieurs photographie de bijoux qui faisaient partie du trésor Impérial et je voulais les partager avec vous tous :
Les boucles d'oreille cerises de Catherine II
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitrejt1.png

Un diadème-collier apprécier par l’Impératrice Douairière :
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=file0005oy3.jpg

Deux diadème frange :
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitre2jpgdx6.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitre2jpgdx6.jpg

Le diadème de Maria Féodorovna :
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ingorewapvg7.jpg

La couronne Nuptial :
http://img433.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bruidskroon2aba6.jpg

Le diadème en perles et diamants, porté par Alexandra lors de l’ouverture de la douma :
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitre1fa5.jpg

L’agrafe du manteau impérial :
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=agraphemanteauingorewapko0.jpg

Le sceptre, début des années 1770. Or, argent, brillants et émail. Le gros diamants central est le diamants Orlov :
http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=insignesimpriauxingorewap113am9.jpg

Insignes de Saint André, l'ordre honorifique le plus élevé :
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=collieringorewap110yq3.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=toiel17951800ingorewap78xo3.jpg

Le collier Nuptial :
http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitrexd3.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=file0011sy1.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mffp2.jpg

Voici une photo du Trésor impérial, prise par les Soviétiques, au moment de l'estimation avant la vente de 1927 :
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=file0021fv4.jpg




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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #198 on: August 25, 2007, 10:20:15 PM »


The tiara that Alexandra Fyodorvna is often seen wearing.






oK we know Minny kept the Tsarina's Set and Alexandra wore the Tsarevna's set.. But does anyone have pics of the set minny kept? Are the 2 that similar??

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #199 on: September 22, 2007, 05:49:32 PM »
I know I'm not in the correct thread for the following question but I've yet to find the correct one so here goes & please direct me to the proper topic: what factor determines which tiara or set of jewels is worn for a picture or as in the case of Queen Elizabeth II, the function she's attending?
As is noted just in this thread alone, Alexandra had numerous tiaras & jewels to wear but how did she arrive at her decision?

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #200 on: September 30, 2007, 07:44:41 AM »
Great Question!

I think in the case of QEII and other Modern British Royals and the nearly Royals it is only a mater of personal choice.

Howerver, in terms of the Russian Imperals I am sure there was proceedure and protocol but I have no clue as to what it was.

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #201 on: October 30, 2007, 08:06:23 AM »
Does anyone know of any piccies of Alix wearing her aquamarine and diamond  kokoshnik. From Geoffrey Munn's marvelous book I gather it vanished from sight in the late twenties and was probably sold.I'd love to know more about this particular piece and whether it was part of a proper Parure? Perhaps it has already been discussed and I have missed it, but I have never seen any other picture of it, other than the one in Geoffrey's book!

 

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #202 on: October 31, 2007, 03:49:10 AM »
Just a little query!

From the extent of Xenia Alexandrovna's massive trove, showered on her prior her wedding by her lavishly generous Papa, am I right in thinking the extent of her wedding gift collection was exceptional amongst Grand Duchesses. From what I can gather Xenia A. received individual parures of emeralds, rubies, sapphires, diamonds and of pearls from her parents. Was it a custom within the family that every Grand Duchess had to be kitted out with parures of each of the aforementioned gems set with diamonds. I only ask as I believe Marie Alexandrovna was also provided with some stunning parures including a ruby and diamond one as well as others I believe containing sapphires and emeralds, though I would like this clarified please!! Perhaps as well as regulating the dowry amounts of his descendants, Paul Petrovitch also laid down strict rules about what jewels a Grand Duchess must be provided with upon marriage, perhaps in order to impress upon 'In-laws' how lucky they were to have married into the exalted ranks of the Romanov Dynasty.

 

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #203 on: October 31, 2007, 04:54:11 AM »
I think Marie Coburg got more being the ONLY daughter of a reigning Tsar.... :)

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #204 on: October 31, 2007, 11:46:54 AM »
Yes Eric I guess being the 'only ' daughter must have improved the amount that went into Marie A's jewelry 'Trunk'!!! ;)

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #205 on: October 31, 2007, 09:13:47 PM »
Yes...Alexander II did spoil her ONLY daughter and supported in her fight for a better position at QV's court. When that failed, Marie enjoyed parading her dower jewels in front of her in laws. Her jewels were divided among her 4 daughters.  ;)

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #206 on: November 02, 2007, 08:12:39 PM »
Some beautiful amethyst earrings that belonged to Catherine the Great are being auctioned at Christie's:



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Christie's offers also a short history of this historic jewel:

1760 - 1917 Imperial Russian Jewel
1917 - 1925 Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
1925 - 1927 Consortium of Dealers
1927 purchased by S.J. Philips for 295 GBP

The estimated price for the auction is: SFR 100'000.-- to 150'000.--

Ursula's great site gives some info on the jewels:

http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/jewels-of-the-tsars/romanoff-amethyst-girandolen.htm
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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #207 on: November 05, 2007, 05:08:27 AM »
Simply divine !!!  :o

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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
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Re: Imperial Family Jewels
« Reply #209 on: February 18, 2008, 06:32:29 PM »
I just merged 2 threads--please remember to check for existing threads before starting new ones. Thank you.
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