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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2006, 02:15:16 PM »
The reason I spoke of Castilian being Catalina's first language is because I'm almost sure Constanza brought her up, and I assumed Constanza would have taught her Castilian from when she was a child. I apologise, it was an assumption with no factual basis. Catalina probably spoke French and Castilian.
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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2006, 02:24:42 PM »
Queen D. Filipa de Lancaster is remembered for bringing some morality to the portuguese court.
Her husband D. João I was a bit womaniser. 8)
He had had two children before the marriage but apparently he "calmed" down afterwards.

He started the building of Palácio Nacional da Vila in Sintra, over the remains of an ancient moorish palace.

One of the rooms is rather characteristic.
The king had been pursuing one of the queen's lady-in-waiting and gave her a kiss. :-*
Another lady saw it and not only told the queen, but she spread the gossip around the palace. :P
So the king decided that the ceiling of one of  the palace's rooms should be painted with magpies. ;D
As many as the ladies in court.
It is called the Sala das Pegas.
A king with sense of humour, and a rather tolerant queen

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A1cio_Nacional_de_Sintra

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2006, 08:16:20 PM »
Philippa 's mother Blanche and grandmother Philippa of Hainault were women strong in morals.  ;)

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2006, 04:09:59 PM »
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Philippa 's mother Blanche and grandmother Philippa of Hainault were women strong in morals.  ;)


And Philippa of Lancaster was educated in a very religious way.

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2006, 08:46:49 PM »
The religious atmosphere in Portugal is also intense I guess.  ;)

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2006, 07:56:51 AM »
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Philippa 's mother Blanche and grandmother Philippa of Hainault were women strong in morals.  ;)


unlike Philippa's father John and grandfather Edward III!

Here's a good account of Philippa's life. She sounds very interesting, enterprising and flexible.

http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/eurvoya/philippa.html

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2006, 09:27:11 AM »
Thanks for the info !  ;D

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2006, 10:33:55 AM »
wow that is very interesting :)

interesting how hard joao tried to avoid her hehe ;D and i liked how she handled things :D

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2006, 11:00:36 AM »
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unlike Philippa's father John and grandfather Edward III!

Here's a good account of Philippa's life. She sounds very interesting, enterprising and flexible.

http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/eurvoya/philippa.html


I can't thank you enough Bell!  :D :D What a woman!! Interesting to note she was turned down by Charles VI of France!
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2006, 11:01:41 AM »
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I can't thank you enough Bell!  :D :D What a woman!! Interesting to note she was turned down by Charles VI of France!



Yes he must have been mad!  ;D

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2006, 11:04:37 AM »
 . . . he was!  ;D ;D But imagine and English queen of France during Henry V's reign? And his aunt no less!  :o Then again, Philippa died in 1415, plenty of time for Agincourt!  ;D
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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2006, 11:09:19 AM »
Isabeau of Bavaria seems to have been the opposite of Philippa...at least in terms of moral... ;D

Or so say the ones who write down 'history'... ;D

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2006, 11:11:56 AM »
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Isabeau of Bavaria seems to have been the opposite of Philippa...at least in terms of moral... ;D



Lol, yes, can't imagine Queen Philippa jumping into bed with her brother-in-law!  :o She also would probably have made a more able regent than Isabeau.
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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2006, 11:18:43 AM »
Indeed...

Have you noticed her descendants were the real representants of the Lancasters (taking aside the Beaufort) after the death of King Henry VI?

But of course, they weren´t English... 8)

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2006, 11:27:37 AM »
Yes, Philippa's descendants - and the descendants of her sister Elizabeth - had Lancastrian blood. Catalina's descendants too. In fact, Felipe II's daughter Isabella, descendant of both Philippa and Catalina, was put forward as a claimant to the English throne during Elizabeth I's reign!
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