Author Topic: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal  (Read 35277 times)

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Eric_Lowe

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2006, 11:55:25 AM »
Yes...I thought so too.

bell_the_cat

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2006, 01:24:13 PM »
It was a "free-for-all" in fact!  ;D

Philip II also thought his daughter should be Queen of France!
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ilyala

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2006, 04:22:21 PM »
he must have had a very good opinion on her  ::)

Eric_Lowe

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2006, 10:34:37 PM »
We are off the topic again... >:(

ilyala

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2006, 04:23:58 AM »
not my fault ;D

bell_the_cat

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2006, 07:15:39 AM »
Anyone know why Ceuta is now Spanish if it was the Portuguese (Philippa) who conquered it?

umigon

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2006, 07:20:36 AM »
There had been an arguement for Ceuta's nationality between Spain and Portugal for decades. However, when in 1640 Portugal finally escaped from Spanish power, Ceuta chose to be Spanish and asked Felipe IV to remain Spanish. The King agreed and so the city has been Spanish ever since!

ilyala

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2006, 09:09:53 AM »
can i (surprisingly) go back on topic and ask again about the relations between philippa and catalina during the portuguese-castilian war?

Eric_Lowe

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2006, 09:33:46 AM »
I think they would not be drawn into it personally, but support their respective husbands.  ???

ilyala

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2006, 09:43:15 AM »
anyone know anything more? ???

umigon

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2006, 09:52:09 AM »
I should re-read my books on that part of Spanish history, but I think Catalina and Philipa did write quite often to each other. Catalina's political influence during Enrique's lifetime was, however, scarce, so I doubt she had anything to say to Philipa about the war...

Eric_Lowe

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2006, 12:24:16 PM »
Thanks...I think they were not personally close anyway. The age gap was too wide.  :(

ilyala

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2006, 01:09:19 PM »
not to mention two different mothers and probably educations...

bell_the_cat

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2006, 01:30:33 PM »
As far as I can make out the war was before Catalina's time. Joao of Portugal was fighting with the King of Castille over the inheritance of Portugal.

At this point (1386) John of Gaunt stepped in to claim the throne of Castille for his wife Constanza - the only daughter of Pedro the Cruel. He secured the (half-hearted) help of Joao by marrying him to Philippa.

However the campaign was a disaster. John of Gaunt's troops couldn't cope with the heat and aridity of the Spanish summer. they all fell ill, including John himself so they had to give up and go back home. Eventually an arrangement was made where Catalina married Henry of Castille (after long negociations with the Duc de Berri) in order to tie the whole thing up. this was in 1393 or thereabouts.

I don't know if Castille and Portugal were at war after that so that Catalina and Philippa were on opposing sides. (Help Umigon!) I don't expect they were close given the age difference - also it sounds as if Catalina was not such an interesting personality as Philippa!


Hope I got this right - it's from memory!
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Eric_Lowe

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Re: Philippa of Lancaster, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2006, 01:48:41 PM »
I would imagine that Catalina would be more serious than Philippa. Just a thought.  ???