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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2006, 06:26:50 AM »
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I don't think you would go so far if there was a strong sexual component either! Even Victoria, the other example of overdone grief which springs to mind, didn't burn down Windsor Castle.

My perception is that there was something odd about this marriage. You're right we will never know, but it's fun discussing them!


You're right - juicy royal gossip, whoopee!!   :D  Victoria really is the epitome of overdone grief, isn't she?  40 years mourning, for goodness' sake!   ::)
I kind of get what you mean about something being odd about R and A's marriage....can't put my finger on it, though.

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2006, 12:50:56 PM »
Well, I don't think a sex factor in a relationship need be huge to provoke such mourning - some people simply don't like sex at all. Richard was obviously devoted to Anne, for whatever reason . . .
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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2006, 01:48:58 PM »
I can't put my finger on it either. It's a bit like in "Rebecca" where Max de Winter orders Rebecca's bedroom to be shut up after her death. His new wife believes this is because he will never love anyone else, and is encouraged in this delusion by the sinister Mrs Danvers.

At the end of the film the truth comes out when Max says to his wife "I didn't love Rebecca - I hated her!"

I'm not saying  Richard hated Anne :D, but I venture to suggest that such overelaborate displays of grief (e.g. destroying her apartments) might mean that there were some other issues that had never been resolved within the marriage, and that he was still "haunted" by her. Maybe he felt guilty about something?
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2006, 01:51:25 PM »
Making her wear those stupid pointy shoes perhaps. ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2006, 01:53:44 PM »
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Making her wear those stupid pointy shoes perhaps. ;D ;D ;D



or forcing her to ride side saddle.....

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2006, 02:07:08 PM »
Nah, its because he was always borrowing her stupid pointy shoes :o
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2006, 02:02:28 AM »
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Nah, its because he was always borrowing her stupid pointy shoes :o



so that he could go riding side-saddle!  :o  :o
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2006, 06:25:39 AM »
I just read that Anne was apprently a kind hearted woman - Thomas of Woodstock wanted Richard's old tutor (Sir Simon somthing-or-other) executed. Anne pleaded with him on bended knee - but to no avail.  :-/
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2006, 12:33:47 PM »
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I just read that Anne was apprently a kind hearted woman - Thomas of Woodstock wanted Richard's old tutor (Sir Simon somthing-or-other) executed. Anne pleaded with him on bended knee - but to no avail.  :-/


Simon Burley.   ;)  Yes, I think Richard never forgave Gloucester for that humilation - the Queen of England going on bended knee, and the request being denied. Not to mention that Richard was apparently very close to Burley.

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2006, 12:45:57 PM »
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Simon Burley.   ;)  Yes, I think Richard never forgave Gloucester for that humilation - the Queen of England going on bended knee, and the request being denied. Not to mention that Richard was apparently very close to Burley.


Oh, I got it half right.  ;D ;D I'm not surprised Richard didn't forgive him - Gloucester came to a nasty end, didn't he?
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2006, 12:51:24 PM »
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Oh, I got it half right.  ;D ;D I'm not surprised Richard didn't forgive him - Gloucester came to a nasty end, didn't he?


He died mysteriously in Calais, apparently smothered.  I'm not sure if it's known for sure, or just assumed, that Rich was responsible.
At the same time his main political ally the Earl of Arundel (Richard Fitzalan) was beheaded in London.  A few days later, Rich had his body exhumed because he'd been having nightmares that the head had become re-attached to the body and Arundel would 'rise again'.   :P ;D  Sometimes I think that medieval England was a lunatic asylum writ large...... ;D

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2006, 12:56:52 PM »
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He died mysteriously in Calais, apparently smothered.  I'm not sure if it's known for sure, or just assumed, that Rich was responsible.
At the same time his main political ally the Earl of Arundel (Richard Fitzalan) was beheaded in London.  A few days later, Rich had his body exhumed because he'd been having nightmares that the head had become re-attached to the body and Arundel would 'rise again'.   :P ;D  Sometimes I think that medieval England was a lunatic asylum writ large...... ;D


I just remembered another person who went way overboard in mourning, Catherine of Aragon's sister Juana the Mad!

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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2006, 01:27:34 PM »
Richard probably did not have that many people he could completely trust, most kings did not, and so to lose a soul-mate like Anne pushed him off the edge, considering he was already at the edge.