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Re: (Unreliable) Books to avoid?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2006, 03:34:22 PM »
Personally I don't avoid any books on the Romanovs. (Except perhaps fictionalized romance novels.)  I have read a lot of books on them and some have been very good and others have been terrible. There are some authors I eagerly await new material from while others I wait until the book can be found at a used book store or at least in paperback.

One fairly recent Romanov book I'm not to fond of is Ther Secret Plot To Save the Tsar. Very unconvincing and far fetched IMO.

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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2006, 06:15:48 PM »
I pretty much read everything as well, except for the silly more fictional books as the last poster said. But there are some great fiction books about the Romanovs of course. It is just best to read ,most everything, and then sort things out, as need be. Not all Romanov books are perfect, but perhaps most enlarge our understanding of the subject.

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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2006, 09:29:59 AM »
Don' t know if it was mentioned in other topics, but never saw it here so far...what about Elisabeth Heresch's Nicholah II. ?
I find it inetresting and detailed, with sources..any negative side?

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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2010, 01:20:59 AM »
I also agree about the occasional guilty pleasure, although I have to admit that there are some authors/books I avoid on principle. Here the name "Kitty Kelley" appears in blazing letters of fire.
Is Kitty Kelley's book "The Royals" reliable? It's full of bad things about the Windsors and  I'm thinking those were just rumors. But, she has listed a lot of resources on her Author's note and bibliography. It makes me wonder whether the things she mentioned in that book are true or not.

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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2010, 07:57:03 AM »
My take on all of this is that if you read everything on any subject matter, you gain a lot of knowledge and after a while you are able to sift the good from the bad very quickly yourself.
I can read the first paragraph of a book and decide if its going to be any good or not. The problem with Russian history is that it appeals to a very small number of people, so even the best bookshops are not flooded with stuff. 
If you have a wish list on Amazon, read the critiques written by people who have read the book, (you have to scroll down). Sometimes this helps.
Just like any subject, there is a lot of rubbish written about Russian history. Yes, books are very expensive, we have one of those  'chain' bookstores here with a coffee shop attached, and although I deplore the very thought of reading an expensive book while eating or drinking, they allow you to take books off the shelf, and 'peruse' them at the table. So I sometimes sit for hours with a pile of books and a cup of coffee, and decide for myself which of the books I cant live without !! My advice to you is to find one of them.
There was a time ( before the global recession ) when I was able to just pile them up and just pay.
Alas no more.

I hate Kitty Kelly by the way, God forbid she ever tries to write a book about the Russian Imperial family. I dont think she will, not contentious enough for her. Greg King and Penny Wilson I always find very credible, because their books are backed by archived documentation, original diaries etc. Sometimes the index is just as fascinating to read as the book itself. I think they work very hard before unleashing anything on the general public. In my opinion, world experts on the subject and passionate about the quality of the research they do. Radzinsky, too many personal observations and opinions which leave the reader with a confused version of the facts. I think however that his books are a must because he has access to archives which I don't think the Russian authorities are too keen to make available to anyone else.         

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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2010, 07:06:57 AM »
Thank you so much for the answer, Pavlov. Unfortunately, I’m not good as you in judging books for I’m still a beginner in studying royalty : (   I really need ones (like you) to tell me whether this or that book is reliable or not. I appreciate a lot all of your help : ))

I bought books by Carolly Erickson titled “Her Little Majesty” about Queen Victoria. It’s very cheap so I bought it (although I had doubts because Carolly Erickson wrote an unreliable biography about Empress Alexandra).
And another book about Princess Diana titled “The Way We Were” by her personal butler Paul Burrell (also cheap but the QV’s cheaper : )
Are these books unreliable?

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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2010, 05:22:15 PM »
I think almost all books on Diana are to be avoided...particularly ones written by her various "therapists" and other staff!  I would probably stick with the picture books of her but if anyone does want a bio...Sarah Bradford's and Tina Brown's are the best of a bad bunch.

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« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2010, 10:00:13 PM »
Thank you so much for that answer, Grace : ) Unfortunately, bookstores here don’t have those reliable bios of her :’ ( 
I’m curious of why you say the books written by her staff and ‘therapists’ be avoided?  I need your answer because I am beginning to like this book about her I’m reading right now. I don’t want to be fooled again like how Kitty Kelley fooled me. Thank you so much for it in advance.



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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2010, 08:26:38 AM »
Could you buy the books you want through Amazon, Alibris or one of those online sellers?  They have a reliable reputation as far as I am aware.  I have certainly used them and they fulfilled my orders correctly and quickly.

I'm not saying books about Diana by people like Simone Simmons (Diana's 'energy healer') are not an enjoyable read but can we really trust what all these hangers-on have to say when they write a book AFTER Diana dies?  For example, this was the woman who claimed Diana had a relationship with John Kennedy Jnr whilst he was married to his wife.  I've seen her interviewed on TV.  She comes across like a wheezy mad old gypsy.  How Diana became entangled with some of these people is beyond me.  Most of them did her no favours during her life and probably even less after her death unfortunately.
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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2010, 10:15:12 AM »
Yes, there are a lot of not so great books on Princess Diana. My advice would be to read as many of them as you can though. I have read pretty much all of them. I agree a lot of those books by people like Simone Simmons are hardly very accurate- but I find, if you have the time, it is best to read all of them, over the course of several years, just to see what's out there. If you don't have the time, then stick with the more official biographies and skip the more sketchy ones like Simone Simmons and others.

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Re: (Unreliable) Books to avoid?
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2010, 03:16:10 AM »
I don´t know if it was mentioned already, but after buying "The murder of the Romanovs" by Andrew Cook on my trip to London I still feel like going and demanding my money back.... The only real plus of the book are appendixes, otherwise it´s filled with terrible innacuracies.

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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2010, 05:02:15 AM »
Could you buy the books you want through Amazon, Alibris or one of those online sellers?  They have a reliable reputation as far as I am aware.  I have certainly used them and they fulfilled my orders correctly and quickly.

I'm not saying books about Diana by people like Simone Simmons (Diana's 'energy healer') are not an enjoyable read but can we really trust what all these hangers-on have to say when they write a book AFTER Diana dies?  For example, this was the woman who claimed Diana had a relationship with John Kennedy Jnr whilst he was married to his wife.  I've seen her interviewed on TV.  She comes across like a wheezy mad old gypsy.  How Diana became entangled with some of these people is beyond me.  Most of them did her no favours during her life and probably even less after her death unfortunately.
Thank you very much once again, Grace [and imperial angel], for alerting me of what books not to buy about her and for suggesting those two! : ))  
Sadly, I could not afford online prices : (  
How odious of that woman to say such lie about Diana! Burrell said that JFK Jr. and Diana only had a purely business relationship.
I finished reading Burrell’s book! I think his book is like those by Sarah Bradford and Tina Brown. While she was living, he served her much as a fully trusted butler (in the book, there were photos of her “Thank you” letters to him for coming to her rescue and doing her favors; wishing I have a scanner to show those], and according to him, he didn’t make the book to profit from Diana’s memory—he made it to correct the misleading info which were told about her for years. I hope his words are really true!

P.S. ~ it is the 13th Death Anniversary of Diana, Princess of Wales today.

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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2010, 06:27:30 AM »
'I'm not saying books about Diana by people like Simone Simmons (Diana's 'energy healer') are not an enjoyable read but can we really trust what all these hangers-on have to say when they write a book AFTER Diana dies?'

I tend to be wary of biographies written in the subject's lifetime, as they tend to adopt a somewhat rose-coloured approach (partly at least, in the UK, because of our libel laws). I think you have to wait until the subject has been dead a few years before you can get a properly objective biography. That said, there has yet to be a decently objective biography of Diana.

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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2010, 07:38:19 AM »
I think that books on Diana are sensationalised to sell. Many books on the Romanovs also.
I personally find that the only way to prove the validity of the content you are reading is the index and the references to a formal archive ( like the Russian Archives ( Sorry but I for forget the proper name ) ( GARF ?)  As far as History goes, If there is no proper reference to an archive, I dont read the book. I am only interested in hard facts, and not someones personal interpretation. That is not history, it verges on fiction.

I think this applies very much to Diana, she has become as romantised, and sensationalised "item" of history, for the financial gain of many writers, and journalists.

 

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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2010, 07:41:08 AM »
I think that books on Diana are sensationalised to sell. Many books on the Romanovs also.
I personally find that the only way to prove the validity of the content you are reading is the index and the references to a formal archive ( like the Russian Archives ( Sorry but I for forget the proper name ) ( GARF ?)  As far as History goes, If there is no proper reference to an archive


 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that! I've found some very interesting reading in the reference section of books over the years.....