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Identification
« on: August 01, 2005, 06:12:29 AM »
Could someone tell who were the father, mother, and lineage of this Catherine Tudor of Berain, called cousin of
queen Elizabeth I. Thank you




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Re: Identification
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2005, 11:14:41 AM »
Never seen this portrait before,Cantacuzene. Where did you find it? I am stumped as to who it is. Could it be Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn and Will. Carey (or Henry VIII ;)),or Catherine Grey (Jane's sister)?
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Re: Identification
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2005, 08:08:44 PM »
If you do a google search on "Catherine Tudor Berain" you'll get several hits that include this portrait, her lineage, and her marriage history.  She had four husbands, three of whom she was reputed to have murdered . . . quite a colorful lady.

I'd post the links myself but cannot seem to get that feature to work.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Identification
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2005, 03:32:30 AM »
Apologies, but I thought "Berain" was a typo. Katherine of Berain (1534-1591) was the daughter of Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain who married Jane Velville- she was the daughter of Sir Roland de Velville who was reputed to be the natural son of Henry VII. So there is the link ;)
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Re: Identification
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2005, 03:35:31 AM »
Great. Thank you very much. I started to think it was Bonnie Pince Charly disguised in lady  :D :-*

In Spain we would call her 'macabra'
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Re: Identification
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2005, 04:47:55 AM »
Hey, she sounds like a scarey lady, 4 husbands,some possibly bumped off, I wonder whose skull that is :o
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Re: Identification
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2005, 05:20:15 AM »
Yes. Please, search in goolgle. It is a curious black widow. I think the skull must be a kind of VANITAS GLORIAE MUNDI. She must have been intellectual lady as her relative Bessie

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Re: Identification
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2005, 10:51:48 AM »
She is considered the "Mother of Wales", as many Welsh families trace their ancestry to her....

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2005, 03:59:10 AM »
So that we must conclude the Tudor lineage wasn't so extinct as it seemed to be. Ah, Do you know perhaps the name of the woman supposed to have an affaire whih Henri VII. ?Well there must be several. I mean the ancestor of Berain. Was she noble lineage?

I suppose Catherine TD not very interested in political claims. If yes, the skull would be her own skull separed from her shoulders. don't you think?

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Re: Identification
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2006, 11:55:36 AM »
I'm rescuing this old thread because i hadn't seen it before!


It seems that Roland de Velville's mother could have belonged to the Vielleville family of France, which possessed the County of Durtal.

It seems Catherine Tudor was a close friend and companion of Queen Elizabeth, and they were also very close in age!

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Re: Identification
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2006, 02:25:23 PM »
That is quite true Umigon.
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