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Marie Antoinette and Axel Fersen
elena_maria_vidal:
--- Quote ---I know that Louis XVI. knew about Marie-Antoinette´s affair. Really, when in may 1785 Fersen came to Paris, he (Axel) heard a gossips that he is a real father of prince Louis, later Louis XVII.
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Sorry to disagree, Marie-Liesl. Louis was a very devout Catholic and moral man and would have never allowed his wife (whom he adored) to have an open arrangement with another man. And I do not think that Axel was little Charles' father.
Marie-Liesl:
Oh, I means Louis XVI. noted that his wife like Axel, but not as a lover in physically meaning, but he noted that later, (I think) when they was inprisonment. And I know that prince Louis´ real father is Louis XVI.
Do you know that Axel want to marry Germaine Necker (daughter von finance minister Jacques Necker), later baroness of Stael-Holstein? But he wasn´t angry when she married baron Magnus von Stael-Holstein... because he really loved Marie-Antoinette...
elena_maria_vidal:
--- Quote ---Oh, I means Louis XVI. noted that his wife like Axel, but not as a lover in physically meaning, but he noted that later, (I think) when they was inprisonment. And I know that prince Louis´ real father is Louis XVI.
Do you know that Axel want to marry Germaine Necker (daughter von finance minister Jacques Necker), later baroness of Stael-Holstein? But he wasn´t angry when she married baron Magnus von Stael-Holstein... because he really loved Marie-Antoinette...
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Yes, I knew from reading about Mme. de Stael that there was talk of getting her married to Axel. I personally think Axel was too politically conservative for her and she would have driven him crazy.
As for Louis "knowing" about Marie-Antoinette loving Fersen, I don't know, because I am not convinced how much she loved Axel, if at all in a romantic way. He was probably aware that Axel loved the queen, especially after Axel sent her all those kid gloves soaked in attar of roses. And then there was that dog she gave the Swedish name, Oscar, I think? (I'll have to check on that.)
Louis was probably so used to men being in love with his wife that Axel's infatuation was just one more and it did not seem to bother him over much, because he (Louis) knew her so well. He and Axel were friends and he had enough confidence in his wife's affection and dedication not to be jealous. Most of the best anecdotes of Louis and Antoinette are her attempts to get his attention away from his work and on to herself, like the time she made pellets out of bread and threw them across the table at him (at a state dinner.) Another time she dressed like a nun and visited him in his office. He did not recognize her for several minutes and saw her trembling (with supressed laughter) and thought the "good sister" had taken ill. She often played tricks on Louis and it kept their relationship very lively.
bell_the_cat:
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Louis was probably so used to men being in love with his wife that Axel's infatuation was just one more and it did not seem to bother him over much, because he (Louis) knew her so well. He and Axel were friends and he had enough confidence in his wife's affection and dedication not to be jealous. Most of the best anecdotes of Louis and Antoinette are her attempts to get his attention away from his work and on to herself, like the time she made pellets out of bread and threw them across the table at him (at a state dinner.) Another time she dressed like a nun and visited him in his office. He did not recognize her for several minutes and saw her trembling (with supressed laughter) and thought the "good sister" had taken ill. She often played tricks on Louis and it kept their relationship very lively.
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That's a very funny story, I mean about the nun! I wonder if features in the new film (probably not). MA definitely had a sense of humour, which is why I like her.
I wanted to ask about Axel's politics (to change the subject from sex!).
I assume he was very conservative in outlook. Did he influence Marie Antoinette at all (or vice versa). To what extent was Marie Antoinette herself influential in politics - did she really "take over" in 1790-1791? I read a letter of Mme Elisabeth where she writes that the Queen was not calling the shots, but she may have been "economical with the truth" for whatever reason, or maybe she didn't know.
Sissi:
Wow! The nun story is a great one, which I did not know!
Thanks!
I beleive that Marie Antoinette was in love with Fersen, but I am not too sure how far it went. i do not think there was a physical relation between them when the royal couple was still at Versailles, However it could have happen while in the Tuilleries, Rester la! means stay there but not sleep there!!! There is a diference in French between rester la et coucher la!!!
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