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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2008, 11:54:23 AM »
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2008, 12:00:56 PM »
Yesterday I found this photo in the internet.



I read on this page that this photo shows Victoire de Nemours and her sons Gaston and Ferdinand. First of all I was very excited, because I have never seen a photo of Victoire alive before (I only know the one on her deadbed), but then I started thinking. I mean, Victoire died in 1857 when photography wasn't common at all. But nevertheless, let's imagine that this pic was taken around 1857, shortly before her death. This means that her sons had to be 15 (Gaston) and 13 (Ferdinand). To me, they look definitely younger. Or is there a possibility that this photo was taken much earlier? What do you think? In my opinion, the boy on the right looks a lot like Ferdinand.
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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2008, 02:43:10 PM »
I think, that boys on this photo are younger than 15 and 13 years...
and the photo itself doesn´t look like to be taken around 1857, it looks younger...but I´m not specialist....

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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2008, 03:12:57 PM »

I think we need Sveta! :-)
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2008, 03:46:58 PM »

I think we need Sveta! :-)

Marie Charlotte, King of the Frenchmen  Louis-Philippe died in 1850 and however some photos of him do exist...In my opinion, the boy on the right is Gaston of Orléans, count of Eu...

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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2008, 05:12:13 PM »

Yes, I know. There is also a photograph of Marie Louise, Napoléon's second wife, who died in 1847. But photos which were taken around 1850 are rare ...

That's funny. I was absoluely sure about the identification of the boy on the right. But you are really good in identifying, too. ;-) So let's wait for other suggestions.

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2008, 03:24:43 AM »
Yesterday I found this photo in the internet.



I read on this page that this photo shows Victoire de Nemours and her sons Gaston and Ferdinand. First of all I was very excited, because I have never seen a photo of Victoire alive before (I only know the one on her deadbed), but then I started thinking. I mean, Victoire died in 1857 when photography wasn't common at all. But nevertheless, let's imagine that this pic was taken around 1857, shortly before her death. This means that her sons had to be 15 (Gaston) and 13 (Ferdinand). To me, they look definitely younger. Or is there a possibility that this photo was taken much earlier? What do you think? In my opinion, the boy on the right looks a lot like Ferdinand.

Finally, Marie-Charlotte,  you must be  right... I think also that "the boy on the right" looks like Ferdinand, duke of Alençon...

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2008, 06:46:34 AM »
For me, the boy on the left looks almost for sure to be  Gaston so the one on the right has to be Ferdinand. The boys look indeed younger than 15 and 13. If the picture was taken in 1857, then Victoria was pregnant of her fourth child Blanche.

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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2008, 10:52:23 AM »
If the picture was taken in 1857, then Victoria was pregnant of her fourth child Blanche.

I also thought of Victoire's fourth pregnancy. But wearing a black, loose cape, we wouldn't see her belly anyway.

Are you sure that this picture is a photograph? Couldn't it be a painting?
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« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2008, 11:13:21 AM »
...or a daguerréotype? I'm not a specialist...

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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2008, 03:01:07 PM »


Ferdinand d'Orleans, Duc d'Alencon 1844-1910
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?search=as&occ=49%3BRoyalty+and+Society&lDate=&LinkID=mp62361     

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Duquedealen%C3%A7on.JPG

http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_98=REPR&VALUE_98=%20Alen%E7on%20duc%20d'&DOM=All&REL_SPECIFIC=1


There seems to be a hicup on the "www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde" site.

The 7 and 6th photos from the end both have the legend Ferdinand d'Alençon.
Yet it is clear that the 2 boys are not the same.
And Alençon is playing chess with his cousin, portrayed as him.
Who could be the boy from pic 6th couting from the end ?

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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2008, 06:16:03 PM »
You are right, José II, the boy from pic 6th counting from the end is Louis-Philippe d'Orléans, prince of Condé (1845-1866), duke d'Aumale's son. Not Duke of Alençon! There are some mistakes on this website....

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Re: Duke Louis de Nemours, and his family
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2008, 05:37:02 AM »

I think we need Sveta! :-)

Thanks  :))

I believe in the photo are Victoire and her sons, but it was taken definitely earlier than 1857.

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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2009, 02:29:21 AM »


Marguerite d'Orléans, princess Czartoryski and her two sons: Adam and Witold (on the left)


Blanche d'Orléans