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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2006, 02:11:24 PM »
well considerring her father had just died, i can see why...

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2006, 02:17:55 PM »
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well considerring her father had just died, i can see why...


It's possible given the political situation that Mary of Guise decided not to bother with godparents. I can't imagine her asking Henry VIII , Francis I of France or even the regent Arran. Maybe she just went down the pub and roped in a few locals!

Mary (QoS)'s son James did rather better:

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2006, 08:18:26 PM »
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Liselotte did not correspond with Mary.  The details are scanty at best, but it seems that Liselotte sometimes tried to defend or excuse Mary to James, and passed along occasional bits of news to him as well, such as the fact that Mary was glad he hadn't been killed at the Boyne.  Liselotte got her information from her Aunt Sophia, who was in touch with Mary.  There is no proof whatsoever that Mary asked Sophia and Liselotte to try to mediate her conflict with her father or pass along messages to him.  However, Mary destroyed most of her correspondence before she died, as did Sophia and Liselotte.  

Kroll's book is far from a complete collection of Liselotte's letters.  Point of fact, there is no such thing.   :(  It's my understanding that less than a third of Liselotte's extant letters have been published.  


Liselotte was not always truthful and liked to embellish things at times.  ;D :-X :o
Didn't James correspond with his cousin Sophie quite often?  ;D

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Re: Stuart Godparents
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2006, 07:27:59 AM »
Hey guys, just found out one or two more - Mary II was godmother to her short-lived half sister Katherine Laura and to her even more short lived niece, Mary, Anne's daughter. I found out a few more and have them written down somewhere, but I'm in a post office in the middle of Co Kerry at the moment so can't get at them.  ;D I'll post them later.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2006, 01:17:56 PM »
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Liselotte was not always truthful and liked to embellish things at times.  ;D :-X :o
Didn't James correspond with his cousin Sophie quite often?  ;D


Liselotte was not always truthful, particularly about her enemies at the French court, but there would have been no reason for her to lie about her interaction with James II or to claim to Sophia that she'd discussed Mary with him if she hadn't.  

Sophia occasionally exchanged letters with James.  A few of his letters to her survive, but hers to him have vanished.  The story goes that copies of Sophia's letters to James were discovered among William III's correspondence during the reign of George III, and that they were destroyed on the king's orders.

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Re: Stuart Godparents
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2006, 10:53:01 AM »
Queen Anne's godparents were her sister Mary, Gilbert Sheldon, Archbishop of Canterbury and the Duchess of Monmouth.  ;)
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2006, 11:48:26 AM »
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Queen Anne's godparents were her sister Mary, Gilbert Sheldon, Archbishop of Canterbury and the Duchess of Monmouth.  ;)


It's amazing what you can find out in a post office!  ;D ;D

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Re: Stuart Godparents
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2006, 11:52:31 AM »
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It's amazing what you can find out in a post office!  ;D ;D



So my Dad always says - he's a postman.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2006, 03:11:47 AM »
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So my Dad always says - he's a postman.  ;D ;D


He's right! In the queue there's always plenty of time to read Encyclopedias and such.

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2006, 12:18:08 PM »
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Queen Anne's godparents were her sister Mary, Gilbert Sheldon, Archbishop of Canterbury and the Duchess of Monmouth.  ;)


I doubt that Anne's godmother was her sister Mary (who was only two and a half years older).  I think it more likely that the godmother was another Mary, Princess of Orange - Anne's aunt, the mother of William III of Orange.

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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2006, 01:13:07 PM »
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I doubt that Anne's godmother was her sister Mary (who was only two and a half years older).  I think it more likely that the godmother was another Mary, Princess of Orange - Anne's aunt, the mother of William III of Orange.

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No way! She died in 1660! :D

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Re: Stuart Godparents
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2006, 01:40:00 PM »
Bell's right - it was Mary II. It wasn't that unusual - Mary I was godmother to (I think) Frances Brandon when she was only a year old.
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2006, 12:25:04 PM »
Henry of Gloucester's godmother was his elder sister Mary of Orange.

The godparents of Henriette-Anne (Minette) were Lady Dalkeith, Lady Paulett and Sir John Berkeley.   Dalkeith and Berkeley later rescued Minette from captivity and fled with her to France, where they were unable to prevent Henrietta Maria from raising Minette as a Catholic.

Charles II was the godfather of Minette’s son, Philippe Charles, Duke of Valois.
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Re: Stuart Godparents
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2006, 12:31:31 PM »
Thanks Palatine! :D Where did you find this info?
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2006, 12:51:03 PM »
The information about Henry's godmother came from John Heneage Jesse's "Memoirs of the Court of England under the Stuarts."  

The information about Minette and her son came from "My Dearest Minette: The Letters between Charles II and his sister Henrietta, Duchesse d'Orleans" edited by Ruth Norrington.  It's an excellent book, but I don't know if you'd like it, Prince.  Norrington firmly believes that Louis XIV and Minette had an affair and that he was the father of her eldest daughter.  
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