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Jeanne de Valois
« on: January 26, 2006, 12:37:49 PM »
Jeanne de Saint-Rémy de Valois, the last of the Valois family. Who was she ?
Saw yesterday a film on the Affair of the Necklace.
The film was based on real facts and figures, according to the producer.
I knew of the participation of Cardinal de Rohan in the affair of Marie-Antoinette's necklace but I found out that Jeanne de Valois masterminded the entire coup and duped the Cardinal.

The film starts with the murder of her father by the king's guard. He was a member of Parliament and a firm opponent of the Ancient Régime.
His name ... de Valois didn't help.
His wife's Jeanne's mother died a short time later with a broken heart, leaving the poor orphan alone.
When she grew up she did all to recover the right to use her name and to regain the family chateau which had been confiscated by the crown.

As her efforts were not successful near the RF nor the PM, together with her lover, count Retaux de Villette and her husband, count Nicolas de la Motte, she approached Cardinal Louis de Rohan, Grand Cardinal of France, to win his favour.
Instead he tried to seduced her.
Knowing that M.Antoinette was Louis de Rohan's declared ennemy, she started a plot to get revenged from the Queen and the Cardinal.

But who was she ?
She must have been a descendant from any illegitimate branch of the Valois, since the last person of the royal Valois-Orléans-Angoulême was Marguerite (La Reine Margot), wife of Henri IV de Bourbon.
Marguerite (b.1553-d.1615) was the sister of François II (husb. of Mary Queen of Scots), Charles IX and Henri III.

Jeanne survived the French Revolution as she escaped to London, where she wrote her Mémoires and told the affair.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2006, 12:50:10 PM »
An illegitimate descendant of Henri II, I think.  ???
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2006, 12:53:01 PM »
The adventuress Madame de la Motte-Valois was a descendant of Henri II and one of his mistresses. (I think the mistress was Lady Fleming, the governess of Mary, Queen of Scots, but I could be wrong about that.)

The film you mentioned has some truth in it, but some of it is not true. I doubt that Retaux de Villette was tortured; Louis XVI had abolished torture by then, I believe.

Actually, Madame de la Motte "fainted" more than once, trying to get the queen's attention. Madame Elisabeth was the one who actually saw her and helped her to receive a modest pension.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2006, 01:01:00 PM »
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The adventuress Madame de la Motte-Valois was a descendant of Henri II and one of his mistresses. (I think the mistress was Lady Fleming, the governess of Mary, Queen of Scots, but I could be wrong about that.)

 


Thanks Elena Maria! BTW, Lady Fleming was herself the illegitimate daughter of James IV of Scots (which made her Mary's aunt) so Jeanne had quite a bit of royal blood!
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2006, 01:09:23 PM »
You are welcome, Prince! I am pretty sure it was Lady Fleming; they say that is where Jeanne got her red hair. But I could be mistaken -I'll check on it.....

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 02:00:06 PM »
la Comtesse de la Motte Valois




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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 02:01:26 PM »
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Prince_Lieven »

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2006, 02:03:33 PM »
oopsss!sorry the image is huge ;D

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2006, 03:05:58 PM »
Each time I see this awful object, I feel like fainting ! :o What an horrible harness ! How could we imagine that, even for a sec, a person as delicate as Marie-Antoinette would desire to wear this ?  :o
qu'ils sachent du moins, que jusqu'à mon dernier moment j'ai pensé à eux.

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2006, 03:11:28 PM »
I AGREE!!!!!! it lacks all possible taste!!!!!!
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2006, 03:36:26 PM »
I agree, too. Wasn't it originally designed for Madame du Barry?

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2006, 03:54:09 PM »
It would hardly surprise me if it was, Elena.  ;D ;D Methinks du Barry was that type of woman. ;D
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2006, 03:55:03 PM »
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oopsss!sorry the image is huge ;D


Hey, Sissi, do you mind turning it into a link intead? Thanks.  :)
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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2006, 04:12:33 PM »
No I would not mind! But how do I do that??? :P

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Re: Jeanne de Valois
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2006, 04:14:19 PM »
I done it, I hope that's ok.  ;) You just change the img tabs to url tabs. I always thought that necklace was an ugly thing. :P
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Prince_Lieven »
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"
-Sherlock Holmes

"Men forget, but never forgive; women forgive, but never forget."