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The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« on: March 05, 2006, 10:33:42 AM »
Anne and Isabelle Neville.
Both destined from birth to be puppets in the marriage market and to bring riches, fame and royal connections to their ambitious father.  There is not a great deal of information about these ladies but they both had short but fascinating lives.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2006, 10:43:54 AM »
Isabelle, born 5th September 1451 at Warwick Castle, married George Duke of Clarence on 11th July at the Church of Our Lady, Calais 1469. They had four children, two of which survived childhood- Edward Earl of Warwick and Margaret Countess of Salisbury.
Isabelle died in December 1476 and is buried in Tewkesbury Abbey.

Anne,born 11th June 1456 at Warwick Castle. She married firstly, Edward Prince of Wales, son of Henry VI in 1470 and secondly, Richard Duke of Gloucester, the future Richard III,on 12th July 1472,in Westminster Abbey. Together they had a son Edward, who died aged 11 years old. Anne herself died in 1485.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2006, 10:50:55 AM »
Isn't it debated whether or not Isabel's first child, born off shore Calais, was a boy or a girl?
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2006, 10:57:15 AM »
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Isn't it debated whether or not Isabel's first child, born off shore Calais, was a boy or a girl?


Weir has the child as a stillborn girl named Anne, I have also seen it stated elsewhere that it was a stillborn boy named George or Edward.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2006, 11:08:19 AM »
Any idea what the girls looked liked? Anne's usually presented as a blonde, but does anyone know for sure?
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2006, 12:05:15 PM »


Well, she's blonde here.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2006, 01:45:58 PM »
Thanks PL,  thats the picture I have. I cannot find a pic of Isabelle but I have just read that she was "fair", so I presume she was similar in colouring to Anne.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2006, 03:35:26 PM »
Both seem to have been delicate - unlike their mother Anne Beauchamp, who lived till 1492, I think.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2006, 04:08:24 PM »
Good lord, a genealogical site I have just looked at  states that there was a third daughter, Margaret who married a John Huddleston ....never heard that one before
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2006, 04:31:23 PM »
Me neither! Can't be right can it??  :o I mean, all the fuss over the inheritance! Surely this Huddleston would've come forward to claim Margaret's share?
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2006, 03:43:28 AM »
Am I right if I supose the two girls were relatives to Cecily Warwick, the rose of Raby or proud Cis, wife of Richard duke of York and mother of the kings Edward IV and Richard III?

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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2006, 03:53:01 AM »
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Both seem to have been delicate - unlike their mother Anne Beauchamp, who lived till 1492, I think.


The mother outlived both of them?? Thats sad.  :(
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2006, 05:35:09 AM »
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Am I right if I supose the two girls were relatives to Cecily Warwick, the rose of Raby or proud Cis, wife of Richard duke of York and mother of the kings Edward IV and Richard III?

Richard Earl of Warwick(the Kingmaker) was the son ofCecily's elder brother, another Richard. So that makes "Proud Cis", Anne and Isabelles Great Aunt.
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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2006, 06:03:44 AM »
Thx, Kimberly. I´m often so confused about all these people connected by one or other side...

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Re: The Daughters of Warwick the Kingmaker
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2006, 01:06:47 PM »
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The mother outlived both of them?? Thats sad.  :(


It is indeed! And poor Anne Beauchamp was treated terribly in the inheritance struggle between George and Richard, the girl's husbands. Some of Warwick's lands had come only through his wife, so when he died, they should have reverted back to her. Edward IV, however, decided that the lands should be divided entirely between George and Richard, so he said that the Countess of Warwick should be treated as if she was 'legally dead'. :P
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