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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2006, 11:00:10 AM »
Well, I listened to the aforementioned 'the Queen my enemy' on audio tape once and it was always prounced like Let-iss.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2006, 11:06:27 AM »
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Well, I listened to the aforementioned 'the Queen my enemy' on audio tape once and it was always prounced like Let-iss.


I heard that one too, but I am not sure if that's right. I have also heard it pronounced Le-teese in some documentaries. I wonder how they really pronounced it...

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2006, 11:13:23 AM »
A reasonably popular name at the time - there were a couple of other noble Lettices.

Also, does anyone know the correct pronounciation of 'Knollys'? I've hear Noll-eez and Noles.
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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2006, 12:27:02 PM »
I've heard her name pronounced both ways, so who knows?Maybe some of the people in the Appalachians who still speak variations of Elizabethan English would be the best guide as to how it would have sounded--I don't know if they still use the name, however!!

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2006, 03:00:01 PM »
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I heard that one too, but I am not sure if that's right. I have also heard it pronounced Le-teese in some documentaries. I wonder how they really pronounced it...


My guess is Leetiss as in Samuel Pepys! It's the same name as Letizia or Laetitia and it means happiness. Nothing to do with salad as I thought until recently. :D

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2006, 10:43:11 AM »
She was a fascinating woman, and does indeed seem to resemble Elizabeth in the Tudor features, rather than ones that could be attributed as through the Boleyns. She certainly outlived most of her contemporaries if not all, and lived to an age that was very unusual then. She seems to deserve her own biography -is there one?

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2006, 10:43:01 AM »
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She seems to deserve her own biography -is there one?


Well, there is a historical fiction about Lettice, by Jane Plaidy, called 'My enemy the queen", but I am not sure about any non-fiction work...

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2006, 10:45:23 AM »
From what I know there isn't any, but there are so many plies of books on the Tudors, that I wasn't sure. If there isn't a book about her, it certainly is a pity, to say the least.

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2006, 11:46:07 AM »
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From what I know there isn't any, but there are so many plies of books on the Tudors, that I wasn't sure. If there isn't a book about her, it certainly is a pity, to say the least.



Here's a very interesting account of her life: http://www.berkshirehistory.com/bios/lknollys.html

Leicester was suspected of poisoning her first husband the Earl of Essex, and she was later suspected of poisoning Leicester!

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2006, 11:08:28 AM »
The more you read about her life, the more you realize, she was one of those fascinating Tudor women.

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2006, 02:43:59 PM »
the last thirty something years of her life are not presented in the biography... didn't she do anything all that time?  ::)

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2006, 01:37:18 PM »
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After Leicester's death, Lettice married a man years her junior, Sir Christopher Blount. This was another unpopular move with the Queen, and Lettice lived a life of the disgraced, mostly at Drayton Bassett in Staffordshire. She remained on friendly terms with her son Robert, Earl of Essex, and took some part in the education of her grandson, Robert (later 3rd Earl of Essex). In 1597, the Earl made a number of attempts to reconcile the two ladies. The Queen avoided two meetings before the two eventually came face to face, and Lettice was able to present her cousin with a jewel. A subsequent request for permission to return to Court was, however, refused and the Countess was, once more, forbidden access to the monarch. Later, Lettice was forbidden to see her son during his imprisonment at York House but, upon his move to Essex House where she had been living, she was permitted a single interview. After Essex  was executed, Lettice retired to Drayton Bassett in Staffordshire and died there, vigorous to the last, on 25th December 1634, aged 94. She was buried beside the Earl of Leicester at Warwick and some verses by her great grandson, Gervase Clifton, concerning her life, were painted on a tablet hung hear her tomb: "she was in her younger years matched with two great English peers; she that did supply the wars with thunder, and the court with stars".


Okay, there's a good chance I am just being slow here but who were the "two great English peers" she was matched with?  Her Husbands?  Or Elizabeth?  

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Re: Lettice Knollys
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2006, 01:00:47 AM »
Her first two husbands- as in "peers of the realm". They were both Earls.  :D
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2006, 01:43:00 PM »
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Her first two husbands- as in "peers of the realm". They were both Earls.  :D


You know, I feel so silly now...  ;)  Thanks for clearing that up, Bell!

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2006, 12:53:44 AM »
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You know, I feel so silly now...  ;)  Thanks for clearing that up, Bell!


Don't worry - I think the epitaph is very peculiarly worded! I've no idea what "she that did supply the wars with thunder" is all about!