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Re: Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovitch, his family and life
« Reply #75 on: August 18, 2005, 04:58:25 PM »
 Natasha went to live in England with her children, sending George to boarding school until he died. After George died, Natasha eventually moved to France, where she died in 1952.  

Neither Natasha nor George had a title of a sovereign (prince, princess, Grand Duke, highness, etc.) when Michael was alive or even some time after his death, but were known as Countess and when George was in school, Count Brassow. Only in 1928 did Natasha receive the status of Princess and George, Prince.

Interestingly, although the Dowager Empress hated Natasha and I'm sure didn't recognize George, what was left of her fortune/property was divided equally between Xenia, Olga, and George. So yes, George did inherit something.

Some of the Russian emigres mentioned George's name as the "true successor" to the throne and dismissed Kyrill, but George dismissed these claims. Legally, due to the circumstances of his birth (Natasha not being of royal blood) he probably would not have been eligible.  

If you want to know more about George, Natasha, and Michael, you should read "Michael and Natasha". You'll learn all you want to know about them.
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« Reply #76 on: November 24, 2005, 01:58:04 PM »
Natasha and George are buried in Passy cemetery in Paris. They are, unfortunately, not on the map given out at the entrance. In fact, the guard did not know there were Romanovs there. Turn right at the entrance and go almost to the wall straight ahead.

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« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2005, 02:48:32 PM »
Are there any photos of george which can be posted? I have never seen his photos.

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« Reply #78 on: November 26, 2005, 06:07:54 PM »
I have read that George inherited Maria Feodorovnas automobile, and it was the car he drove when he was killed.


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« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2005, 11:16:34 AM »
A couple of points about George Brassov:

1. George was ineligible for the succession due to being the issue of unmarried parents. As explained in "Michael and Natasha", Michael had to have his brother's help in securing a divorce from her second husband prior to George's birth. Otherwise, George would have legally been Wulfurt's son.
2. George was named for Michael's late brother who died in 1899. In addition, the estate of Brassov was Michael's inheritance from brother George.
3. MF did not hate Natasha. She hated the damage to the dynasty that Michael's relationship with Natasha did. However, she was savvy enough to understand that much of this damage was the fault of Nicholas and Alexandra. Had they not insisted on shunning Michael's mistress, the relationship would never have gone public.

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« Reply #81 on: November 27, 2005, 01:25:51 PM »
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I have read that George inherited Maria Feodorovnas automobile, and it was the car he drove when he was killed.


George used his legacy from MF to buy the car in which he had the accident.

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« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2005, 11:37:58 AM »
Ok, sorry for the mix up. The book I have says it was with MFs Belville automobile he had the crash.

MF wrote in her diary about the meeting with George and Countess Brasova. It took place in Marlborough House (my translation, so sorry for any mistake).
"Then came Xenia who was going to bring Michas wife and little son. It was a terrible emotion for me that plagued me in the days prior. It went better than I had expected, thank God.  She looked very good, and the boy is handsome and very natural. Alix and Toria also came in for a while. She brought several pictures of Micha that I had never seen before, and asked me to keep them. I think poor Micha will be glad, when he is told that I have seen them".

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« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2005, 01:02:50 PM »
I am just curios regarding Countess Nathalie Brasov.  Is she the same one as Countess Nathalie Cheremeteff a daughter of Count Serge Cheremeteff and Uva Pushkina, this will make her granddaughter of the Poet Alexander Pushkin?

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« Reply #84 on: December 01, 2005, 02:46:18 PM »
No. Natalia's parents were middle class Muscovites and not titled.

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« Reply #85 on: December 01, 2005, 03:23:12 PM »
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She brought several pictures of Micha that I had never seen before, and asked me to keep them. I think poor Micha will be glad, when he is told that I have seen them".


This is such a sad statement. Michael was dead by then yet Minnie obviously had hope remarking 'when he is told'.  :(
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« Reply #86 on: December 01, 2005, 03:23:34 PM »
I found this regarding the Nathalie Brasov;
Sergei Aleksandrovich Cheremetevsky ( from the counts Cheremeteff no? ) married Ulia Viatscheslavovna Sventitzkya, daughter of Alexander Pushkin. ( the poet no? ) They had a child ;
Nataliya Sergeievna Cheremetevskaya+ b. 27 Jun 1880,  She married, firstly, Sergei Ivanovich Mamantov before 1910.3 She and Sergei Ivanovich Mamantov were divorced before 1911.3 She married, secondly, Captain Vladimir Vladimirovich Wuffert before 1911.3 She and Captain Vladimir Vladimirovich Wuffert were divorced before 1911.3 She married, thirdly, Mikhail Aleksandrovich Romanov, Grand Duke of Russia She died on 26 February 1952 at age 71 in Paris, France.3
   

Sources ; http://www.thepeerage.com/p10422.htm#i104217

              http://www.thepeerage.com/p10200.htm#i101996


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« Reply #87 on: December 01, 2005, 10:01:22 PM »
What was Natalie's life in exile like?  Did she ever remarry?  I'm sure George's early death must have devastated her.  

In many descriptions of her, it seems the describers are struck by her exceptional beauty.  Anyone have any good pictures to share?

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« Reply #88 on: December 02, 2005, 05:46:36 PM »
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What was Natalie's life in exile like?  Did she ever remarry?  I'm sure George's early death must have devastated her.  

In many descriptions of her, it seems the describers are struck by her exceptional beauty.  Anyone have any good pictures to share?


Natalia's life in exile was a difficult one. For details, see the Crawfords "Michael and Natasha". She never remarried or considered remarrying. George's death was certainly devastating to her although her daughter and grandchild survived.

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« Reply #89 on: December 02, 2005, 06:25:53 PM »
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I found this regarding the Nathalie Brasov;
Sergei Aleksandrovich Cheremetevsky ( from the counts Cheremeteff no? ) married Ulia Viatscheslavovna Sventitzkya, daughter of Alexander Pushkin. ( the poet no? ) They had a child ;
Nataliya Sergeievna Cheremetevskaya+ b. 27 Jun 1880,  She married, firstly, Sergei Ivanovich Mamantov before 1910.3 She and Sergei Ivanovich Mamantov were divorced before 1911.3 She married, secondly, Captain Vladimir Vladimirovich Wuffert before 1911.3 She and Captain Vladimir Vladimirovich Wuffert were divorced before 1911.3 She married, thirdly, Mikhail Aleksandrovich Romanov, Grand Duke of Russia She died on 26 February 1952 at age 71 in Paris, France.3
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Sources ; http://www.thepeerage.com/p10422.htm#i104217

 Â              http://www.thepeerage.com/p10200.htm#i101996



Maximilan, I looked at that site.  It's a bit confusing.  However, Lisa Davidson is correct.  Nathalie Brassova's mother was not a daughter of the Aleksandr Pushkin.  His daughter, Natalia, however, married a prince of the House of Nassau, and one of the daughters of that marriage (considered morganatic), later married Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich of Russia.