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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 06:09:58 PM »
Heres a Picture of Ella with her siblings. (I like her costume, is she to be her great-grandmother Sophie?) Hedwig (i think), the girl in the bonnet, she looks exactly like her mother! wow. I can't identified the other children. :(



I'll try to identify them. From right: Ella, Matylda, Clemens, Franz Karl, Gertrude, Hubert, Marie and Theodor.
I suppose that this photo was taken around 1908, therefore the girl between Franz Karl and Hubert can't be Hedwig.
She was in that time 12, but that girl looks younger. It could be rather Gertrude, who was only one year older than Marie.

Thank you! but whom is Matylda? the Archduchess Mathilde? I don't really know the children's nicknames.

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2008, 02:51:23 AM »
Right, Matylda is Archduchess Mathilde. :)

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2008, 02:54:13 AM »
Wonderful picture! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2008, 02:23:53 PM »
Where do you find it ? In a book...?

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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2008, 02:46:21 PM »
One more fancy ball pictures. It's my fave group-photo of Marie-Valerie's children.


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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2008, 04:11:10 PM »
She´s lovely here...


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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2008, 03:08:11 AM »
One more fancy ball pictures. It's my fave group-photo of Marie-Valerie's children.



This one is realy unique photo! Franz Karl looks very cute here. I think, he was the best looking from Marie Valerie's sons.

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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2008, 01:36:02 PM »
Yes...The House of Hapsburg were not known for good looking men. Just a few exceptions in each generations...

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 09:58:06 AM »
She´s lovely here...




Beautiful!

Kaiser Franz Joseph would have liked her grand-nephew Karl, the future Karl I, married Ella. But the latter preferred Zita.
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 04:02:55 PM »
Really ? Where did you find that out ?

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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 04:47:24 PM »
It's been written in a few books about the Habsburgs, I believe. Maybe someone can remember the title(s)?
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2009, 02:37:05 AM »
What do we know about children of Maria Valeria and Franz Salvator?
They have ten children:
1) Elisabeth Franziska (Vienna 27 Jan 1892-Schloß Syrgenstein 29 Jan 1930); m.Niederwallsee 19 Sep 1912 Georg Gf von Waldburg-Zeil (1878-1955)
2) Franz Karl Salvator (Lichtenegg 17 Feb 1893-Wallsee 10 Dec 1918)
3) Hubert Salvator (Lichtenegg 30 Apr 1894-Schloß Persenbeug 24 Mar 1971); m.Anholt (civ) 25 Nov 1926 (rel) 26 Nov 1926 Rosemary Pss zu Salm-Salm (Potsdam 13 Apr 1904-Persenbeug 3 May 2001)
4) Hedwig Maria Immakulata (Ischl 24 Sep 1896-Hall, Tyrol 1 Nov 1970) m.Schloß Wallsee 24 Apr 1918 Bernhard Gf zu Stolberg-Stolberg (1881-1952)
5) Theodor Salvator (Schloß Wallsee 9 Oct 1899-Amstetten 8 Apr 1978); m.Schloß Zeil 28 Jul 1926 Maria Theresa Gfn von Waldburg zu Zeil u.Trauchburg (Neutrauchburg 18 Oct 1901- Munich 17 Jul 1967)
6) Gertrud Maria (Schloß Wallsee 19 Nov 1900-Ravensburg 20 Dec 1942); m.Bad Ischl 29 Dec 1931 Georg Gf von Waldburg zu Zeil und Trauchburg (1878-1955)
7) Maria Elisabeth (Schloß Wallsee 19 Nov 1901-Innsbruck 29 Dec 1936)
8) Clemens Salvator ; he assumed the title Prinz von Altenburg 2 Apr 1931 (Schloß Wallsee 6 Oct 1904-Salzburg 20 Aug 1974); m.Vienna 20 Feb 1930 Elisabeth Gfn Rességuier de Miremont (Niszko, Galicia 28 Oct 1906-Salzburg 9 Jul 2000)
9) Mathilde Maria (Ischl 9 Aug 1906-Salzburg 18 Oct 1991); m.Hall 9 Apr 1947 Ernst Hefel (1888-1974)
10) Agnes (b.and d.Ischl 26 Jun 1911)
 
Their eldest daughter Ella has her own thread, but what about her eight siblings? How and where did they live after the WW1? Did they leave Austria? What was their occupation, do they have some jobs? Pictures are welcome!
Is it known, why Maria Valeria (or Franz Salvator?) choose for most of them such an unusual names in Habsburg family as Hubert, Hedwig, Theodor, Gertrud or Clemens? I know they are old and traditional but were not used in Habsburg family...

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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2009, 01:27:01 PM »
Hi,

Well, about Franz Karl I know that he was named after the Father of Emperor Franz Joseph, the Arduke Franz Karl (1805-1878), he died 1918 because he had Influenza.

Hedwig: Marie Valerie wrote in her diary that Hedwig is the one, who has the character of the House Wittelsbach
(She wrote in her DIary:"Hedwig ist diejenige, die den gewissen Funken des Hauses Wittelsbach hat" I'm sorry, but I don't know how I can translate it :(

Clemens was the favourite child of Marie Valerie, she calles him her "sunshine"

Well, I'm sorry for this little informations, but thats all I know without a Book I have, it's call "Kaiserin Elisabeth und ihre Töchter" from Martha Schad. In this Book you find many information about  Sophie, Gisela and Maria Valerie and also about her descendant's.



About the names, I know that Marie Valerie named Gertrud after a little comedy,she wrote 1884.

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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2009, 04:21:10 PM »
Nice pictures, Grand Duchess Ally!
They looks like dressed in historical costumes...