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Phil_tomaselli

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #150 on: August 14, 2006, 07:21:07 AM »
Sticking my oar in after what seems like an interminable absence (writing a book, and no, not one on the IF) I apend below an article which I had published in BBC History Magazine last year:


"Last Tsar rejected secret British rescue plan in 1917

The Russian revolution of February 1917 deposed Tsar Nicholas II and he and his family were detained under comfortable house arrest at their palace at Tsarskoe Seloe outside Petrograd.  Initial talks between the Provisional Russian Government and the British for them to be exiled to Britain fell through as it was felt that the Empress’ German origins and the unpopularity of the Tsarist Regime would outrage British public opinion at a sensitive time.

Among the few Britons in Russia were a unit of Royal Naval armoured cars, commanded by Conservative MP Oliver Locker Lampson.  He had met the Tsar earlier in the war and had, more recently, been warned by the Russian Minister, Kerensky, that Nicholas’ life might be in danger if Bolshevik elements took over the Government. Lampson decided to mount a rescue operation of his own.

“It appeared so easy to rescue him that I decided that it should be done” he wrote.  Using a distant relative (referred to as “Vladimir”) as a go-between, Lampson began to ply the guards with vodka, cigarettes and food while at the same time making contact with the Tsar.  The plan was for Nicholas to shave off his prominent beard, slip out past the inebriated guards and dress in the uniform of Lampson’s orderly, Tovell.  He would then be sent by rail to Archangel, smuggled aboard a ship, and sent to Britain.

Early on in the plot Vladimir decided that the royal barber was not to be trusted and was trained by the unit barber, Wells, to cut hair.  Vladimir’s job was to smuggle Tovell’s uniform into the palace grounds, shave the Tsar, help him into Tovell’s uniform and slip him past the sentries.  Nicholas was then to “sit beside me as my orderly and take orders, like opening the door for me, and standing to attention” wrote Lampson.  “The moment the alarm of his escape was got out, my unit was to go to the authorities and offer their services in helping to track down the escaped prisoner”.

At the last moment the plan collapsed.  “The Tsar absolutely refused to be rescued unless his wife and family could be saved also.”  Lampson and his unit returned to England.  Kerensky moved the Royal Family to Siberia in anticipation of the Bolshevik coup of October 1917.  Isolated in the depths of Russia they were murdered by the Bolsheviks in July 1918."

I've been in touch with Locker Lampson's son who has said that his father had a tendency to exaggerate and, as another researcher has expressed it to me "to project himself into events he wasn't really involved in".  Needless to say the document that mentions this is in LL's papers at the Leeds University Russian Archive.

On the subject of Digby-Jones, all the evidence (including his Army Service record) points to him being in Ekaterinberg to make contact with the Czechs but he was at least a British agent in the town at the time.  An RNVR Lieutenent named Cunningham was in the vicinity at some point round about the time of the killing, as was a Russian Naval Officer om a special mission for British Naval Intelligence.  Meinertzhagen never claimed to have been in Russia and I've been unable to find any references to any plans (occasionally mentioned by others) or organisation that he might have had in Russia.  It has been claimed that he worked for MIR, Military Intelligence's special section dealing with Russia 1918-1922(?) but the War Office List places him quite firmly in another MI section at the time.

When I can find the Public Record Office that refers obliquely to a British rescue attempt in 1917 (without going into any detail) I'll post here.

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #151 on: August 14, 2006, 07:43:42 AM »
Digby-Jones service record file is WO 374/19738.  He was a mining engineer who resigned from a well paid post in Rhodesia to serve with the Anglo-Russian Hospital as a driver and then transferred to Locker Lampson's armoured cars.  When the were sent home at the end of 1917 he transferred to the Royal Engineers and was sent back to the British forces operating in North Russia.  There is a reasonably detailed itinerary for his secret trip to Ekaterinberg drawn up for the purposes of calculating his travelling expenses on the file.

The file which mentions a British rescue plan in 1917 is FCO 12/122 "Research enquiries on fate of Russian Royal family Jan 1st 1973 - July 1st 1974".  For thoes who enjoy rubbishing "File on the Tsar" and other books from the period this is a goldmine of detailed criticism (and, it has to be said "bitchiness") from senior British Civil Servants who had been contacted by various researchers on the subject.  Considering how much effort they put into rubbishing claims it is however interesting how closely they monitor their activities.

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #152 on: August 20, 2006, 08:59:23 AM »
Looking through some Royal Naval telegrams from Petrograd in June 1918 I come across the following dated 29/06/18:

"Following information received from Staff of Ludendorff.  German General Staff consider in a month their attack on the Western Front will render Allied Armies incapable of taking the offensive for some considerable time.  They then propose to turn Russia to break Brest peace and declare a Monarchy.  This has not yet finally been agreed to by Reichstag Party......................Candidate for Throne is Grand Duke Michael and a high German Agent has already been sent to Perm to open negotiations but Grand Duke has temporarily disappeared.

My informant a high Russian officer whose name must remain a secret........he considers Monarchy only means of saving situation and in view of German purpose it would seem such is the case and that it would be to Allies advantage to forestall Germans.

A dictatorship not possible..........He gives Allies one month to arrive at decision and that it is most urgent to start operations in East (so often put forward by Allied Representatives now in Russia) to form a front on the Volga taking advantage of present Czechs Slav movement, IF POSSIBLE TO GET EX EMPEROR AND PRINCIPAL OTHER MEMBERS OF IMPERIAL FAMILY INTO OUR HANDS (my emphasis) not to allow them to be exploited by any political party.

Central Russia would the rally round our standard but anything other than a Monarchy would drive all capital and landowners over to Germaan side and these would be followed by intelligent classeses who at present, in felling, are anti German, also it would ssplit up Right Centre drive oine section to extreme right and other to extreme left.

I venture to suggest this proposition in view of new German plan to be taken into very serious consideration."

So there we are - mention of a German plan to utilise Royal family in the summer of 1918 along with a proposal that the British mount a counter-operation "to get ex-Emperor and principal other members of Imperial Family into our hands".

And who says there was no British wish to get hold of them??

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #153 on: August 20, 2006, 03:54:27 PM »
"29/06/18"

It appears that the British and the Germans were taking serious actions to resue Nicholas II at this time.

Do you think this was because of the advancement of the Czechs/White Armies movement toward Ekaterinuburg?

Again,  thanks,  Phil.

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #154 on: August 22, 2006, 03:22:46 AM »
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I think that the position of the Czech Legion was just fortuitous (though some suspect that their seizure of the Trans-Siberian railway was encouraged in some way by the British/French).  Just as Western Front historians have a tendency to forget what was going on in Russia during the war, and the immense sacrifices that the Russians made in the Allied cause, so Russian historians have a tendency to forget what was going on in France.  In June 1918 the Germans looked to have France and Britain on the run and it wasn't until August that the line stabilised and the British (with some assistance from the French and newly arrived Americans) were able to start counter-attacking.  From both sides perspectives a period of delay and holding actions through the winter of 1918 probably looked most likely in June 1918 (and even later) so a plan to turn again to the East by the Germans and finally sort Russia out and hopefully bring it into their camp seems feasible.

Certainly I have seen several intelligence analyses written by the British looking at the kinds of resources in terms of oil, cotton, munitions, food and labour that the Germans might be able to draw on from Russia and one of the chief roles of the British Mission in Russia during 1918 was to deny resources to Germany by moving them east, purchasing them on behalf of the Allies or simply blowing them up.

Note that the Assistant Naval Attache (who sent the telegram) doesn't talk about restoring Nicholas, simply of getting hold of him and the family to stop them being used by any Russian factions.

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #155 on: August 22, 2006, 01:11:43 PM »
...[in part]...

Note that the Assistant Naval Attache (who sent the telegram) doesn't talk about restoring Nicholas, simply of getting hold of him and the family to stop them being used by any Russian factions.

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Who were the British interested in being the new  leader of all the Russias in July of 1918 if not  ex-Tsar Michael or ex-Tsar Nicholas II?

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Re: Realistically, was escape possible?
« Reply #156 on: August 23, 2006, 07:00:15 AM »
Cynically & brutally, the British would take ANYONE who was prepared to bring Russia back into the war.  For a large part of 1918 Lenin & Trotsky plaid the British at their own gameby hinting that they would restart the fight on the Eastern Front.  British officers such as George Hill spent half their time training theRed Air Force/Army in the hope they would, and the other half planning sabotage gangs and counter-revolutionary plots in the expectation they wouldn't.  By July 1918 it was clear that they wouldn't so the plots swung into action.

I suspect that some kind of democratic movement backed by a senior member of the IF would be the preferred option but I'm sure they'd take me or you if they thought we could put troops into the field.

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« Reply #157 on: August 23, 2006, 12:06:00 PM »
(well, I don't know about choosing me or you)  I think the Brits were pretty desparate to keep the Germans as occupied as possible on the Eastern front.  I also don't think that the Brits had the handle on the political situation inside Russia that it is presumed they had.  Communications were so bad and primitive inside Russia at that point, that the British were receiving conflicting reports that were dependent mainly on gossip and situational and area politics.  By July of 1918 they had received so much questionable information about the imperial family and their whereabouts, that even promoting one candidate over another would have been a foolish endeavor and a waste of resources.