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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2007, 01:57:31 PM »
Interesting that it was in the Hofmobiliendepot!!!  ;) I am still curious about that, because I didn´t have the chance to see that museum until now :)
Yes, I also think Alfonso has strongly that typical kind of face inheritated from his mother´s side. But it´s interesting that his uncle Archduke Friedrich doesn´t look like that at all (in my view!), but as we said his sister´s son, and also Friedrich´s son, Albrecht has typical Hapsburg features, very longish face etc. It´s really interested how this looking is distributed differently among close family members. Do you think that any of Archduchess Sophie´s children share her look? I rather think they resemble their father Archduke Franz Karl, don´t they? It would have been interesting to know about Archduchess Maria Anna´s look, when older, but unfortunately he died so early and was the only daughter of Sophie. It´s a pity about her. But it´s also interesting to me that Franz Joseph I and his wife Elisabeth, who were related over the Wittelsbach side, had certain resemblences in their looks, even when I don´t see special resemblences of Franz Joseph I. to his mother... What do you think about that?
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2007, 12:07:19 PM »
even when I don´t see special resemblences of Franz Joseph I. to his mother... What do you think about that?

Looking at photographs, I actually do think he  resembles her.

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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2007, 07:06:15 AM »
It´s interesting that you see it differently. I always saw much more "Habsburg" than "Wittelsbach" in the children of Archduchess Sophie. But maybe I am wrong concerning Franz Joseph I. Especially on a photography of the old Archduke Franz Karl  I saw a lot of his son in him! Can you name an example, where Franz Joseph resembles his mother?
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2008, 05:04:35 AM »

And another one...

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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2008, 06:48:36 AM »
Interesting that it was in the Hofmobiliendepot!!!  ;) I am still curious about that, because I didn´t have the chance to see that museum until now :)
Yes, I also think Alfonso has strongly that typical kind of face inheritated from his mother´s side. But it´s interesting that his uncle Archduke Friedrich doesn´t look like that at all (in my view!), but as we said his sister´s son, and also Friedrich´s son, Albrecht has typical Hapsburg features, very longish face etc. It´s really interested how this looking is distributed differently among close family members. Do you think that any of Archduchess Sophie´s children share her look? I rather think they resemble their father Archduke Franz Karl, don´t they? It would have been interesting to know about Archduchess Maria Anna´s look, when older, but unfortunately he died so early and was the only daughter of Sophie. It´s a pity about her. But it´s also interesting to me that Franz Joseph I and his wife Elisabeth, who were related over the Wittelsbach side, had certain resemblences in their looks, even when I don´t see special resemblences of Franz Joseph I. to his mother... What do you think about that?

I think the problem was that also Franz I./II. mother Maria Luise of Spain and Maria Theresa's father where siblings and those Franz I./II. and Maria Theresa where 2twice Cousins.
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2008, 03:35:19 PM »
I think the problem was that also Franz I./II. mother Maria Luise of Spain and Maria Theresa's father where siblings and those Franz I./II. and Maria Theresa where 2twice Cousins.

Not to forget: Franz I.'s father Leopold II. and Maria Theresia's mother Maria Karoline were siblings, too.
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2008, 12:33:01 PM »
I thought it would probably be worth discussing about Sophie's relationship to especially her younger sister the Duchess Ludovika in Bavaria and her other sisters: her twin sister Queen Maria Anna of Saxony, Amalie and Queen Elisabeth of Prussia.
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2009, 11:46:16 AM »
What a beautiful woman she was.... fascinating.... but a pity she didn't like Sissi...
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2009, 11:58:34 AM »
What a beautiful woman she was.... fascinating.... but a pity she didn't like Sissi...

It's rather that Sisi didn't like her.

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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2009, 01:02:38 PM »
Yes.....but Sophie controled Elisabeth....
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2009, 02:05:56 PM »
Yes.....but Sophie controled Elisabeth....

This is certainly true - up to the point when Elisabeth would no longer let herself  be controlled by anyone.

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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2009, 02:58:20 PM »
Indeed and thats why she and Sophie Gisela and Franz went to Hungary..... if i'm correct
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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2009, 05:46:07 PM »
Sophie and Sissi were both strong well women. their relationship is like that of Minny and Alix of Russia in many ways.

 And other royal ladies and mother-in-laws in that type of relationship? I can't really think of any.

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2009, 06:16:49 PM »
I don't think that Archduchess Sophie actually disliked Elisabeth, at least not at the beginning. As I understand it, she considered her niece/daughter-in-law too immature and poorly educated for the position of Empress and decided to try to help her to live up to the strict Habsburg court etiquette. Sophie probably thought that she was being kind to Elisabeth, but needless to say, Elisabeth saw things differently and began to resent and hate her aunt/mother-in-law, thus their relationship deteriorated pretty quickly. While the situation was clearly unpleasant for Elisabeth, I don't think that there was initially any deliberate malice or unkindness on the part of the Archduchess. Just my humble opinion!

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Re: Archduchess Sophie,mother of Franz Josef
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2009, 07:09:24 PM »
I agree with you 100%.  :)