Duchesse de Polignac

[REMI]

Reply to post # 121

According to 1921's Almanach de Gotha, troisieme partie

These are some of the homes lived in by the Polignac family:  Please note that many may have been destroyed by WWII, or may no longer be owned by Polignac family members.  I don't know which are patrimony of the Polignac family or which may have been brought into the family through marriage.

château de Canappeville, Eure
château de St-Jean-du-Cardonnay, Seine- Inférieure
château de Polignac, Haute-Loire
château de La Jumelliere, Maine et Loire
château de Navailles près Pau
château Le Plessis
château de Limésy, Seine-Inférieure
château de Kerbastic, Morbihan
château de La Voulte-Polignac, par La Voulte, Seine et Loire
château de Kerscamp, Marbihan
château de Bournville, Aisne

[REMI]

....and the Château des Crayères in Reims...

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[timfromengland]

HANG ON... 
  In  1775   at  age   26    Gabrielle     met  MA  and  became  best friend of the young Queen.
  The Queen was captivated by the  charming and attractive Gabrielle  and    moved her into Versailles into a suite of  13 rooms.
  This   caused much jealousy among the courtiers and nobles at court  due to
her  sudden eminence and  high position at court....
but hang on.... Gabrielle  had 3 sons and a daughter... were they installed in Versailles too ?

[Tony de Gandarillas]

Hello Remi,

I didn't include des Crayères  because it is not a part of Polignac patrimony.    It used to be the residence of the Pommery family, and now houses one of the finest hotels in France.  It was part of the dowry of Jeanne-Alexandrine-Louise Pommery when she married Comte Charles de Polignac on 27 March, 1851.

[Tony de Gandarillas]

So sorry, it's proper name is château les Crayères not des Crayères.

[Naslednik Norvezhskiy]

it's proper name is château les Crayères

Hihi, what a base name, just like Les Tuileries!

[CountessKate]

HANG ON... 
  In  1775   at  age   26    Gabrielle     met  MA  and  became  best friend of the young Queen.
  The Queen was captivated by the  charming and attractive Gabrielle  and    moved her into Versailles into a suite of  13 rooms.
  This   caused much jealousy among the courtiers and nobles at court  due to
her  sudden eminence and  high position at court....
but hang on.... Gabrielle  had 3 sons and a daughter... were they installed in Versailles too ?

I don't know the specifics, but I thought noble daughters tended to be lodged at convents until their presentation at court and sons educated in the family homes in the country or in Paris with tutors - again until presentation at court or service with one of the royal family, or in one of the royal guards regiments.   They might stay at Versailles but the idea was they would be married off or established with their own lodgings if at all possible.  But children as a whole did not live at Versailles - there just wasn't the space and it was not considered appropriate for them.  13 rooms was incredible, the norm was 5 and very pokey they were too.

[timfromengland]

Nevertheless it seems strange that  at age 26........ when she met the young 19 year old queen Marie
 Gabrielle had by then 2 or 3..  ( maybe 4 )   children... and yet began leading
an exciting life as the  bosom friend of the new Queen of  France.....

Perhaps she had a private house near to the court and had relatives and nannies to supervise
her young children ?  while she led a jet set,   life at court
from what I can figure... Gabrielle was at the vortex of a very racey social set  at Versailles
whose company Marie found irresistable   andthis   perhaps led to her downfall
While the more prim, sober Princess Lamballe and her social set were neglected by
the young queen.
 When Marie met Gabrielle in 1775   the young queen  was at the start of her extravagent stage...
being dressed by Rose Bertin  etc.

[CountessKate]

Nevertheless it seems strange that  at age 26........ when she met the young 19 year old queen Marie
 Gabrielle had by then 2 or 3..  ( maybe 4 )   children... and yet began leading
an exciting life as the  bosom friend of the new Queen of  France.....

Perhaps she had a private house near to the court and had relatives and nannies to supervise
her young children ?  while she led a jet set,   life at court
from what I can figure... Gabrielle was at the vortex of a very racey social set  at Versailles
whose company Marie found irresistable   andthis   perhaps led to her downfall
While the more prim, sober Princess Lamballe and her social set were neglected by
the young queen.
 When Marie met Gabrielle in 1775   the young queen  was at the start of her extravagent stage...
being dressed by Rose Bertin  etc.

While it was the beginning of a more 'sentimental' age, when a much closer emotional attachment to children was beginning to be considered both appropriate and indeed fashionable, that didn't mean that a concerned mother would necessarily want her children in close proximity to or in Versailles, which after all was effectively a business base for the government of France, where courtiers clustered around the founts of power and patronage.  It was quite in keeping with the culture of the times for a woman to be considered a careful and responsible parent without her actually seeing very much of her children at all, and keeping them away from Versailles - and indeed what could be considered rather louche associations - might well have been deemed better parenting than having them with her.

[timfromengland]

I think only someone who has read her biog can solve this one !
For 7 years Gabrielle had no officiel post at Versailles.... yet she  reigned supreme.... the bosom
buddy of the young Queen..... her closest companion and confident.
Eventually she became......  Governess of the Children of France ...

[frohsdorf]

She died in Vienna in December 1793....no one seems to know where she is buried!  Can anyone confirm?