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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2006, 05:10:38 PM »
http://www.worldroots.com/cgi-bin/gasteldb?@I20938@

in that site, it is said that the father of Yolande's husband, Jules, was born in 11 JAN 1716/17, and died on 1792...But it's strange, because, acording to the site, Jules, how was son of a marquis, haven't any brothers or sisters...The comtesse Diane, his sister, really existed..She brought Yolande to Versailles..
So, did he actualy had brothers?...

And other question about the marquis de Polignac...He died in 1792. Was he a revolution victim? It's possible, but, we can't forget that he was 76 years at that year..
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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2006, 12:03:58 AM »
Who said Gabrielle had many lovers ? Probably the same persons who said Marie-Antoinette had numerous ! She had Vaudreuil, it seems so. And maybe he was just a friend... some sources say so. However, even if she had one lover, is that so important ? I don't think wecould say she had a dissolute life.
By the way, just take a look at "Dangerous Liaisons". No woman loved her husband ! That would be ridiculous !
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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2006, 03:39:27 PM »
I've loved "Dangerous Liaisons"...

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2006, 04:29:44 PM »
The book is really really really good, i have always imagined that it portrays mariage like in the XVIII century!

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2006, 11:00:35 AM »
There's a few Yolande pictures, but she's alone in everyone of them...Do you know if there's a picture of Yolande with her husband or childs, or with Marie Antoinette?

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2006, 11:42:19 AM »
I think you're right, dear Polignac, there are only pics showing Gabrielle alone. However, there's a portrait by Vigée-Lebrun, where she can be with her daughter Guichette ? I'm not sure...
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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2006, 01:12:48 PM »
Do you have that portait??

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2006, 01:37:45 PM »
duchesse de guiche :



melles guiche polignac (93-95)



This is the one I had in mind. It was wrong, sorry. Must be Guichette's daughter ? I know she had a son... but a daughter ? Anyway, it's not Gabrielle, sorry...

Guichette (94)



... rom this site about Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun http://www.batguano.com/vigee.html

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2006, 06:50:39 AM »
Madame Polignac was known by the Queen as Yolande, Gabrielle, Martine, or Jules?

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2006, 12:42:34 AM »
This is precisely what I wonder about, dear Polignac ?
I have read that the court avoided "Yolande" because it sounded to medieval. The duchess was usely called "Jules" from her husband's name. She was the countess, and later, the duchess Jules.

On the net, you can find Y M G de Polastron or G M Y de Polastron, depending... Most of the historians call her Yolande, some others Gabrielle. Nobody Martine... They have our nowaday habit to use the firstname. However, it's wrong. XVIIIth people often used their second name, or even third.

To make it shorter, I guess she could be Gabrielle... or even Martine !

But all we can do know is ask the "oui-ja" and hope we won't fall upon Pazuzu !
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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2006, 09:33:08 AM »
I remember we once spoke about Yolande's money...In wikipedia it is said that the Qeen once had donated her 800.000 livres, by the occasion of the wedding of Aglaé...I discoverd in wikipedia too that 100 livres were the same as 700 dolares...making the calculations, the Queen gave 5.600.000.000 dolares to Madame Polignac!!! It's  :o :o :o :o :o :o

"dote sa fille   hauteur de 800 000 livres," in http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolande_de_Polastron

"Balconies in buildings above the Place de Grève were rented to women of the aristocracy for the exorbitant price of 100 livres per balcony (approx. $700 in 2005 US dollars)" in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_xv#First_try_at_reform


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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2006, 09:42:05 AM »
I discovered in wikipedia some information about Yolande's husband...but it's in french...
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_de_Polignac_%281746-1817%29

There isn't great information, but i didn't knew that count Jules had two sisters: Madame Diane and Madame Elizabeth..and a half-brother: Comte Heraclius

Acording to this site, Madame Diane de Polignac has born in the same year than Jules..So, they could be twins...

One question...The father of Jules was a vicomte, and this rank is lower than comte isn't it?...
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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2006, 09:47:07 AM »
It's true Marie-Antoinette gave a very important sum or Aglaé (Guichette)'s wedding. But the king didn't disapprove that. The reason may be that Marie-Antoinette loved Guichette very much, and considered she was her daughter by adoption. The Polignacs weren't very rich at this time. Surely the queen wanted to have Aglaé forever out of troubles.

Paramount sums of money were exchanged, at the court, for jewels, clothes, castles, dinners and suppers, feasts...

This donation however shocked the court a lot, because this had never happened. A Polignac's daughter treated like a princess ! Indeed, a princess she was in the queen's heart !

This jealous aristocrats never forgave : that Marie-Antoinette favoured so openly the ones she loved...
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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2006, 10:16:19 AM »
«Paramount sums of money were exchanged, at the court, for jewels, clothes, castles, dinners and suppers, feasts...»

Yes, you are absolutley right  ;)
The Queen could love very much Aglaé, but wasn't she shocked when she heard about Yolande's planes to Aglaé?..She married when she was only 12! At this time, many people married with 15,16 and 17 years...But 12?! I don't know if it was frequent..

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Re: Duchesse de Polignac
« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2006, 10:40:07 AM »
Antoinette married when she was 14... and you must see the father's agenda too ! What did he say, Jules ? Aglaé had a child very soon, then, after her marriage. She was only 14, I think. We are all different from each others. Maybe, at 12, Aglaé, was ready for men ? I know it may seem awful for us, and I agree with you it's terribly young... but what really happened ? Maybe the poor girl was hopelessly in love ?

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