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Ermakov and the Grand Duchesses
« on: February 14, 2006, 11:14:17 PM »
I have been reading Seven League Boots by Halliburton, which has an interesting interview between the author and Ermakov. Ermakov seemed to like to take more than his fair share of credit for the massacre of the Romanovs, but his stories about the Grand Duchesses while in captivity are interesting and I quote from the book here.

'The interpreter asked how the four girls passed the day. Ermakov understood. "Oh, they had a lot of games. They played dominoes with the Czar. And they read a lot and talked a lot - I don't know about what - wasn't important. They all seemed to love Alexis. Some one of the girls was with him all the time - handsome little fellow...but a hopeless invalid...no sort of Czar for Russia.

'"Olga was the oldest daughter - nothing special. About twenty-two, maybe twenty-three. I remember Maria had her nineteenth birthday party in the prison house - one of the guards took her some cakes. She seemed to be the Czar's favourite. They always walked in the garden together. Anastasia still had long hair down her back. She wasn't more than seventeen, maybe younger. Tatiana came between Olga and Maria. I thought she was the prettiest of the four. She had lots of dignity too, and was always looking after the others. We all liked her the best."

'Tatiana! Waiting for Ermakov to recover sufficient breath to speak again, I remembered the beautiful and moving chapter about this particular princess in From Double Eagle to Red Flag. The story places her in the Czarina's war hospital in Petrograd. There, working unceasingly, never sparing herself because she was a princess, Tatiana won the unqualified respect and worshipful devotion of every wounded soldier in the place. She seemed to them more like an angel than a human being, with her clear eyes and fresh young face and generous heart. Each day she made the rounds of the wards, seeking out those who were suffering most, and touching their heads and foreheads with her finger-tips.

'And they forgot their agony, so healing was the presence of this sweet divinity. She walked beside them as they were wheeled into the operating room, and they never felt afraid. Se stood beside them when they died. Or if they lived and left the hospital, she escorted them to the door, and gave them as a parting gift some small momento which she herself had loved.

'One wounded lad, just seventeen, worshipped her as he did the Holy Virgin. He spent his hours just waiting her return...his glorious, beautiful princess. When his time came for an operation, she escorted him to the table and began to help the surgeon remove the boy's bed-dress. Shamed, horrified, at the thought that she - this immaculate and heavenly being - would see his nakedness, the poor lad fainted away.

'He left the hospital some time after, hearing only the music of Tatiana's good-bye, clutching in his hand her own prayerbook that she had given him. Inspired, he rushed back to the front, flung himself recklessly at Russia;s enemies, and in the first charge perished, for Tatiana - the same Tatiana who within little more than a year was to be held in an Ekaterinburg prison, by these savage and vindictive assassins.'

I don't know if the book Halliburton quotes from is fiction or non-fiction, but it certainly painted a moving picture of Tatiana.

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2006, 08:21:29 AM »
Interesting that Olga wasn't really work mentioning, she was 'nothing special.'  All of the others got some sort of mention, something special about them that he had noticed.  But Olga, nothing.  Bad blood perhaps?  

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2006, 01:29:24 PM »
I haven't had the chance to read this book but I always wondered what Ermakov talked about in the interview. I guess the whole thing about Maria and the guard with the cake is true, then...
It is not suprising to me that they liked Tatiana the best; it seems like a lot of people at that time thought she was beautiful and from what I read she was very practical and dignified. I think she would have the rational mind to deal with their captors in a way that would make the family more likeable..

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2006, 04:18:06 PM »
Dear Georgiy,

Thank you for this sharing. For most of the posts I have read about Ermakov, nothing was shared about his real thoughts about the IF and children. If nobody were to know about his background, and the chilling crime he committed, then just reading what you have shared, one would consider him, considerate, perhaps quite believeable. But, knowing how he and his buddies really worked behind the scenes, there is not much to believe in what Ermakov took to heart. He was a very confused, and non-credible person i think. Here though in your sharing, he seems to have captured the essence of each of the royal children's personality, etc. Thank you again for sharing this information with us.

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I have been reading Seven League Boots by Halliburton, which has an interesting interview between the author and Ermakov. Ermakov seemed to like to take more than his fair share of credit for the massacre of the Romanovs, but his stories about the Grand Duchesses while in captivity are interesting and I quote from the book here.

'The interpreter asked how the four girls passed the day. Ermakov understood. "Oh, they had a lot of games. They played dominoes with the Czar. And they read a lot and talked a lot - I don't know about what - wasn't important. They all seemed to love Alexis. Some one of the girls was with him all the time - handsome little fellow...but a hopeless invalid...no sort of Czar for Russia.

'"Olga was the oldest daughter - nothing special. About twenty-two, maybe twenty-three. I remember Maria had her nineteenth birthday party in the prison house - one of the guards took her some cakes. She seemed to be the Czar's favourite. They always walked in the garden together. Anastasia still had long hair down her back. She wasn't more than seventeen, maybe younger. Tatiana came between Olga and Maria. I thought she was the prettiest of the four. She had lots of dignity too, and was always looking after the others. We all liked her the best."

'Tatiana! Waiting for Ermakov to recover sufficient breath to speak again, I remembered the beautiful and moving chapter about this particular princess in From Double Eagle to Red Flag. The story places her in the Czarina's war hospital in Petrograd. There, working unceasingly, never sparing herself because she was a princess, Tatiana won the unqualified respect and worshipful devotion of every wounded soldier in the place. She seemed to them more like an angel than a human being, with her clear eyes and fresh young face and generous heart. Each day she made the rounds of the wards, seeking out those who were suffering most, and touching their heads and foreheads with her finger-tips.

'And they forgot their agony, so healing was the presence of this sweet divinity. She walked beside them as they were wheeled into the operating room, and they never felt afraid. Se stood beside them when they died. Or if they lived and left the hospital, she escorted them to the door, and gave them as a parting gift some small momento which she herself had loved.

'One wounded lad, just seventeen, worshipped her as he did the Holy Virgin. He spent his hours just waiting her return...his glorious, beautiful princess. When his time came for an operation, she escorted him to the table and began to help the surgeon remove the boy's bed-dress. Shamed, horrified, at the thought that she - this immaculate and heavenly being - would see his nakedness, the poor lad fainted away.

'He left the hospital some time after, hearing only the music of Tatiana's good-bye, clutching in his hand her own prayerbook that she had given him. Inspired, he rushed back to the front, flung himself recklessly at Russia;s enemies, and in the first charge perished, for Tatiana - the same Tatiana who within little more than a year was to be held in an Ekaterinburg prison, by these savage and vindictive assassins.'

I don't know if the book Halliburton quotes from is fiction or non-fiction, but it certainly painted a moving picture of Tatiana.


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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2006, 08:02:31 PM »
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I think she would have the rational mind to deal with their captors in a way that would make the family more likeable..


Good point.  Given what we know about the GDs, Tatiana does certainly appear to be the more rational one.  But, again, how reliable is Ermakov's account?

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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2006, 09:12:51 PM »
I guess the "nothing special" about Olga indicates what others had observed about her in captivity that she aged through the stress.

About the cakes - the fact that cakes were brought doesn't indicate that therefore later on that day Maria was in some compromising situation however. I am sure Ermakov would have mentioned something about that if it had been the case, like "they brought her some cakes, and she got in trouble through that later in, ha ha ha." Instead his lasting impression was that Maria was the great favourite of her father and kept him company a lot. I really don't believe she was in disgrace or anything, all the otgher reports apart from that one mention by Yurovsky indicate relations between the Romanovs were as normal as could be expected under the circumstances, and if she wasn't wearing the jewelled underwear the reason is that her sisters did that in Tobolsk when Maria was already in Ekaterinburg and didn't perhaps have the opportunity.

As for how reliable is Ermakov's testimony, well, his description of the Romanovs rings true. His description of everything else puts him at the centre of everything, is false or mixed with half truths.

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2006, 07:15:46 PM »
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"Shamed, horrified, at the thought that she - this immaculate and heavenly being - would see his nakedness, the poor lad fainted away."

Back then, would they have let unmarried nurses see the "nakedness" of their patients? I know that AF did ("hardly a 'man' anymore" she wrote about one of her patients). I guess I always assumed unmarried girls, especially of such high status as the GD's, would not have been given tasks where they would see their male patients naked (even if they're just nurses doing their jobs).


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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2006, 10:05:30 AM »
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I have been reading Seven League Boots by Halliburton, which has an interesting interview between the author and Ermakov. Ermakov seemed to like to take more than his fair share of credit for the massacre of the Romanovs, but his stories about the Grand Duchesses while in captivity are interesting and I quote from the book here.

'The interpreter asked how the four girls passed the day. Ermakov understood. "Oh, they had a lot of games. They played dominoes with the Czar. And they read a lot and talked a lot - I don't know about what - wasn't important. They all seemed to love Alexis. Some one of the girls was with him all the time - handsome little fellow...but a hopeless invalid...no sort of Czar for Russia.

'"Olga was the oldest daughter - nothing special. About twenty-two, maybe twenty-three. I remember Maria had her nineteenth birthday party in the prison house - one of the guards took her some cakes. She seemed to be the Czar's favourite. They always walked in the garden together."


I don't see how we get from this brief mention of cakes being brought to Maria by one of the guards on her birthday to the assumption in FOTR that this guard was Skorokhodov, and that "they disappeared together." This is the passage in FOTR that is footnoted 73, "Ermakov, in Halliburton, Seven League Boots, 128:"

"Quickly he [Skorokhodov] found himself exchanging smiles and sipping tea with the former emperor's daughters, an extraordinary experience that seems to have completely overwhelmed him. On this particular day, he had smuggled a cake into the Ipatiev House, to celebrate Marie's birthday. Apparently he pulled her aside, and the pair disappeared." (FOTR, p. 244)

Is there something more in Halliburton's account that you didn't mention, Georgiy?

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2006, 12:26:19 PM »
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"Shamed, horrified, at the thought that she - this immaculate and heavenly being - would see his nakedness, the poor lad fainted away."

Back then, would they have let unmarried nurses see the "nakedness" of their patients? I know that AF did ("hardly a 'man' anymore" she wrote about one of her patients). I guess I always assumed unmarried girls, especially of such high status as the GD's, would not have been given tasks where they would see their male patients naked (even if they're just nurses doing their jobs).



Well, normally the girls wouldn't have been allowed near a hospital full of men.  War has a way of shaking things up, there were so many wounded men I don't think there was time to worry about propriety.

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2006, 03:10:24 PM »
The memories of one of the formal wounded I read perhaps will answer to your question, Yoyo, and to your guess, Tsarina-Liz. He related that one day a wounded soldier was very worry. Other asked him why, and he answered: "Well, I have the habiturde that the Empress is doing the pansement for me. Today Tatiana Nikolaevna is doing the pansements to her place. But my wound is there!". And the poor soldier shows his back... So I think they saw , at least Tatiana saw nacked men almost every day...

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2006, 03:34:10 PM »
I left nothing out from Halliburton's account. It's exactly as he wrote, so if indeed FOTR uses that quote to suggest Maria disappeared with a soldier, then that requires a big leap of faith to get from someone bringing her some cakes to her being in some kind of compromising position. If something like that had happened, why didn't Ermakov mention it?

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2006, 11:42:29 PM »
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'One wounded lad, just seventeen, worshipped her as he did the Holy Virgin. He spent his hours just waiting her return...his glorious, beautiful princess. When his time came for an operation, she escorted him to the table and began to help the surgeon remove the boy's bed-dress. Shamed, horrified, at the thought that she - this immaculate and heavenly being - would see his nakedness, the poor lad fainted away.

'He left the hospital some time after, hearing only the music of Tatiana's good-bye, clutching in his hand her own prayerbook that she had given him. Inspired, he rushed back to the front, flung himself recklessly at Russia;s enemies, and in the first charge perished, for Tatiana - the same Tatiana who within little more than a year was to be held in an Ekaterinburg prison, by these savage and vindictive assassins.'

I don't know if the book Halliburton quotes from is fiction or non-fiction, but it certainly painted a moving picture of Tatiana.


Is that young lad is the same Dmitri Malama? Or is it a different soldier? But I'm not also sure if that book is fiction or non-fiction because if it is, how would he know about this? Did he had some sources? ???

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2006, 01:48:19 PM »
Apparantly it is non-fiction - a history of Russia. The author was a colonel - so maybe he was someone close to the IF, or it was a popular story about Tatiana at the time - don't forget she was very well beloved by the Russian people, and probably the people's favourite of the Tsar's daughters.

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2006, 09:23:54 AM »
I've scanned Halliburton's full account (approx. 55 pages) of Ermakov's death-bed confession from Seven League Boots.

Anyone who'd like to read it, please PM me with your email address.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2006, 07:13:57 AM »
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Anastasia still had long hair down her back. She wasn't more than seventeen, maybe younger.

If I recall I believe the girl's hair was only to their shoulder's by the night of the 16th.

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