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« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2010, 05:41:22 PM »
Now that is the kind of information I would like to know a lot more about.

You might be able to gather more of that kind of information if you concentrated on that kind of issues and didn't present all kinds of quite ridiculous-looking unsubstantial claims of royal and noble connections.
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« Reply #151 on: November 06, 2010, 06:29:43 AM »
Did the Saxon royals get any of their property back after reunification?

As far as I can see they got mobiliary and cash worth 13 million €, but so far no immobile property, not even Wachwitz Castle in Dresden, which they built after the Revolution of 1918!, because there is a law that says that only property expropriated by the GDR/DDR must be returned, not propery expropriated by the Occupying Forces (in this case the Soviet Union) during the years 1945-1949. And apparently this applies to the RF's properties, which before the war even included the massive Moritzburg Castle, famous from the East German-Czechoslovakian co-produced fairytale movie "Tři oříšky pro Popelku", Three Nuts for Cinderella.

Why would the German law limit compensation to the DDR regime and exclude expropriations by the occupying powers? Was there a legal reason for this?

Also, when the Royals fled at the end of WW2, did they have financial resources to rely on, maybe in Switzerland?

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« Reply #152 on: November 06, 2010, 05:46:41 PM »
I assume the Law limits return of property expropriated by the occupying powers, because the Germans lost the war?

I mean, the USSR is not paying and Germany can't make them?  Right?

Despite my political realism and pessimism, I would like to hear more about this law.

Speaking of Swiss Gold, as a total aside from Saxony, Who Deposited Saint Stephen's Crown in Fort Knox?  And, who has a right to withdrawl it?  It ain't mine, and it does not belong to America.
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« Reply #153 on: November 06, 2010, 07:05:03 PM »
I assume the Law limits return of property expropriated by the occupying powers, because the Germans lost the war?
I mean, the USSR is not paying and Germany can't make them?  Right?
In this case we are talking about real estate (castles and estates), which was expropriated / nationalized by the occupier. The USSR did not keep ownership of it, it became the state property of the GDR / DDR, but because it was expropriated by a foreign occupying power, the modern German Federal Republic, the successor state to the GDR / DDR, has decided it is not legally obliged to return to it to the original owners, because it was already state property when the GDR / DDR was founded.

You really have huge problems grasping anything else than urban legends and conspiracy theories, capttrips!
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« Reply #154 on: November 12, 2010, 08:48:56 PM »
Oops, sorry.  I just realized, a lot of people look like St. Prince George (Our Father), in Neukirchen.

That book I spoke of is copyrighted in the USA, very recently.

The pictures were copied with permission (meaning, a voluntary conformity to a treaty), leaving the copyrights with the holders of the artworks in Europe.

So, I misspoke and cannot really contribute anything: Thanks for your time and help, I will take my leave.

I am very sorry for causing a distraction.

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« Reply #155 on: November 17, 2010, 10:37:30 PM »
Picture of Infanta Maria Ana of Portugal, wife of King George and mother of King Frederick Augustus III.

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« Reply #156 on: November 27, 2010, 12:02:36 AM »
Svetabell, I am very sorry for being so short with you origanolly: You seem like a very nice and knowledgable person.  I am sorry I scoffed at your help.

Alex, To you I owe very much.

Fyoder, Kak Bylie Carola?  I shoud still be nice to you, because at first, (I hope) You tried to be nice to me.

For this I want to call you friends, or at least, "Nice guys."

And, Pezazz, Your Signature Pictures are adorable, I only wish I knew who they were?

I will call you friends.  Be in touch soon with a good reason to change the topic to August the Strong--not that I am in the lest bit related, of course (still, my fathers George, FA. III, and George seem to tell the same story as your George, FA III and George!  Very creepy, as if we are all together damned).


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« Reply #157 on: November 27, 2010, 01:31:19 AM »
http://home.comcast.net/~mrk80920/site/?/page/Pllb%21/

Due to known copyright issues, This site is extremely temporary:

Tommorrow it will be gone.
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« Reply #158 on: December 10, 2010, 07:46:18 PM »
I'm sure you guys know all about the Gotha and this information, but, just in case someone else (like me) does not know

http://almanachdegotha.org/id114.html
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/HGSachsen-K.htm

What was the fascination with Mexico City from 1970-1990?  I notice a lot of births and marriages happened there.

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Kean

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« Reply #159 on: December 12, 2010, 10:56:54 AM »
In general, and likely the case with this family, Germans have a big appetite for Mexico, South American and other tropical or semi tropcial destinations. The wealthy Germans are often the largest percent of tourists in such places; that has been the case for a long while. In fact, at the turn of the last century, much of the public signage in Mexico City was bi linqual--Spanish and German.
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« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2010, 10:27:15 PM »
Some other possible reasons for upper-class Germans' predilection for South America:
- Although without a proper nobility, South American societies remain much more old-fashionedly class-divided than current European society.
- Often these class divisions have a racial component, something which would appeal to e.g. former Nazis.
- South American countries give more scope for huge landed estates on a scale that is no longer possible in Europe.
- They are also more conservative in religion, something which would appeal to devoted Catholics like the Saxons royals.
- In short these countries are much more patriarchal and conservative, just like the monarchies these royals once presided over, complete with the occassional Socialist revolutionary uprising.

In the case of the Saxon royal presence in Mexico, I guess the fact the royals in questions actually were de Afifs / Saxe-Gessaphes, Catholic Lebanese, also plays a role. And that unlike Bavaria, whose RF still thrives on its home turf, Saxony was behind the Iron Curtain. If the de Afifs felt they needed to make a lot of money, fast, before they could be included into the Saxon RF, Mexico's more unrestricted economy was probably also a better place than the post-war German welfare state.
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« Reply #161 on: May 04, 2011, 10:53:46 PM »

I am looking for a whole bunch of Saxony Royals (and related).
They are so many, but you are so good providing the answers, that I will give it a try:

8. Karl, Josef, Amalia and Therese (sons of Fred.Christian)
9. Maria Amalia 1794-1870 (daughter of Pr.Maximilian)
Thanks in advance
José


Answering this post from long ago.....

Maria Amalia of Saxony (1757-1831) was the elder of two daughters born to Elector Frederick Christian and his wife Maria Antonia of Bavaria.  Her mother, the dowager Electress, wanted a match between her and the Comte d'Artois, younger brother of Louis XVI, or Emperor Joseph II. When both failed, she offered her daughter's hand to Karl of Zweibrucken, the heir of Duke Christian IV.  Karl wanted to marry someone else, his mistress Baroness Caroline Augusta Gayling von Altheim, but was forced by his uncle (and the rest of his family) to marry Maria Amalia.  Apparently, they had a marriage of convenience. Maria Amalia didn't treat the mistress (who was made Grand Mistress of the Household and reputably the richest and most powerful woman in the duchy) very well. Karl and Maria Amalia had one son, who died in childhood. When their only son died in 1784, they didn't try for another child; instead Karl made his younger brother Maximilian marry as soon as possible.   After Karl died in 1795, Maria Amalia moved to Munich (that is after Elector Karl Theodore died as well) and became prioress in one of the convents there.  Maria Amalia was the Grand Mistress of the Order of St Elisabeth.

Maria Amalia of Saxony (1794-1870) was the eldest child of Prince Maximilan of Saxony and Princess Caroline of Parma.  I've read that her cousin Ferdinand VII of Spain offered for her hand but she rejected it, just as she had rejected all other offers of marriage. Instead, she concentrated in music and plays. The revenues from her work were all donated to charity. She was very close to her father and Uncle Anthony.  She also accompanied her father into his travels and they both visited Tuscany and Spain, where her younger sisters settled after marriage.  


 
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Re: The Kings of Saxony in XVIII-end XIX cent.
« Reply #162 on: May 05, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »


Maria Amalia of Saxony, Duchess of Zweibrücken.

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« Reply #163 on: May 05, 2011, 09:50:22 AM »


A rather small picture of the Duchess of Zweibrucken in later life.

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« Reply #164 on: May 06, 2011, 12:31:16 AM »
Thank you very much for that miniatures of Maria Amalia of Saxony (Duchess of Zweibrucken), CountessKate.  While she didn't seem to a beauty, she didn't seem ugly either.  I do feel sorry for her situation, Karl of Zweibrucken, from many accounts, seemed to be a very complicated man! It couldn't have been easy to married to him, even if it was a marriage of convenience.

I forgot to add that Maria Amalia spent time away from her husband. In 1776, after she gave birth to their only child, she was living in Munich with her mother (the dowager Electress of Bavaria).  Karl also seemed to have left her (almost) nothing after he died due to his extravagance. Indeed, many of his paintings and furniture had to be sold after he died since he was neck-deep in debt. She also told an acquaintance that all their palaces/castles in the duchy (Zweibrucken) were burned down by the angry people. They were living off the money (grudgingly) provided for them by Elector Karl Theodore from 1793-95. I've also read that Napoleon gave back the land where Karlsberg Castle stood to Maria Amalia, provided that she cleaned the rubble and rebuilt it. I guess there was no money to do so! Very little remains, if any, of the fabulous residence Karl built (but never finished).    
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