The Stroganoffs

[gogm]

Thank you for the date and artist. What a story!

[ashanti01]

wasn't sure where to post these, but since they are watercolors of rooms of the Stroganov palace, I figured they would go here.




Yellow Drawing Room


Library


Drawing Room

[ashanti01]

Dining room


Boudoir


Cornor room

[Mari]

Absolutely beautiful! Do you know the history of this Palace?

[BobG]

The pictures posted by Vassili are of the Stroganoff Palace at 17 Nevsky Prospeckt on the Moika.  It was the palace of Count Sergei Stroganoff which today, I believe, is part of the Hermitage and is open to the public.

The house in the watercolors posted by Ashantio1 are of Count Paul Stroganoff's palace at 11 Sergeievskaya (formerly Chaykovskogo) ulitsa.  I can't remember the relationship between the two Stroganoffs.  After the revolution, two upper floors were added to the building taking away much of its character.

BobG

[ArchitectCS]

I know that the Stroganov Palace was recently repainted its original pink and that the exterior is basically as Rastrelli designed it.  But does anyone know anything about the interiors?  My understanding is that some of Rastrelli's interiors are still intact, though I know that Voronikhin redesigned some as well.  Has anyone been in this palace?  Any information would be most welcome.

[Vladimir_V.]

There is only one Rastrelli's interior - the Great Hall




website: http://www.rusmuseum.ru/eng/museum/complex/str_palace/

[ArchitectCS]

Thanks Vladimir.  Too bad more hasn't been preserved.

[Vladimir_V.]

Stroganovs had a lot of money and they could change the interiors in the palace every year.  : )

[ancemondes]

I am researching on the life of Juliana Almeida second wife of Count Grigory Stroganov. I was pleased and surprised to see the picture of Count Grigory's daughter, Idália.
But let me tell you she was not the daughter of Juliana, the second wife.
In a letter from Paris in 1824, October 8, she wrote:
…
J’ai passée  l'Eté a la campagne; j'habite encore dans ce moment le Chateau du General Andreony (?) qu'l a loué a Bayard (she called like this Stroganoff, because he was her galant savior) pour cette saison. La femme de Bayard a eté fort malade cet Eté ele a une maladie chronique dont je crois qu'elle reviendra dificillement. Elle passe son hiver a Dresde avec sa file. Bayard a eté passer six semaines cet Eté avec elle mais il est deja de retour: car il sait que je n'ait plus de bonheur sur la terre que sa presence et la continuité de son attachement pour moi; j'ai avec moi une jeune personne, fille d'une personne à laquelle il a eté attachez avant son arrivé en Espagne. C'est une fort agreable societé pour moi, et par reconaissance à son protecteur j’aime prendre soin d’elle  et la faire digne de celiu à qui elle ressemble tellemet. Elle s'apelle Idalia et est ausii jolie que son nom.
…
Juliana and Idalia were good friends and in other letters Juliana writes about Idalia and her marriage.
If any of you as information about Juliana and Count Grigory please let me know. For my part I have allready some good information but not enough about the life of the couple in S. Petersbourg.
Find information and picture here
 http://purl.pt/11450
 http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=24605

[Svetabel]

In a letter from Paris in 1824, October 8, she wrote:
…
J’ai passée  l'Eté a la campagne; j'habite encore dans ce moment le Chateau du General Andreony (?) qu'l a loué a Bayard (she called like this Stroganoff, because he was her galant savior) pour cette saison. La femme de Bayard a eté fort malade cet Eté ele a une maladie chronique dont je crois qu'elle reviendra dificillement. Elle passe son hiver a Dresde avec sa file. Bayard a eté passer six semaines cet Eté avec elle mais il est deja de retour: car il sait que je n'ait plus de bonheur sur la terre que sa presence et la continuité de son attachement pour moi; j'ai avec moi une jeune personne, fille d'une personne à laquelle il a eté attachez avant son arrivé en Espagne. C'est une fort agreable societé pour moi, et par reconaissance à son protecteur j’aime prendre soin d’elle  et la faire digne de celiu à qui elle ressemble tellemet. Elle s'apelle Idalia et est ausii jolie que son nom.
…

I think it would be great to write in English in the English-speaking Forum. Please, translate the letter.

[ancemondes]

There we go in english (my best english, any way):
"I spent this summer in the country; I am staying in this moment at general Andreony's chateau rented by Bayard (the name Juliana gave to Stroganov, comparing him to the french heroe). Bayard's wife is very sik this summer with no hope of geting better. She will stay in Dresden during winter with her daughter. Bayard spent six weeks with her but now is coming back: he knows that his presence and the continuity of his attachment to me make my hapiness. I have with me a young girl, daughter of a person he met before going to Spain. It's a very good company for me, and (Stroganov) deserves that I take care of her and make her worthy a man which she ressembles so much. Her name is as nice as she is: Idalia"
This letter was sento to Julianas's sister, Frederica, in Portugal, writen in french.
I think this prooves that Idalia was no Juliana's daughter. I dont know exactly where was Grigory Stroganov before being ambassador to the court of Spain, and nothing about Idalia's real mother, place ant date of birth. France is a meer guess.

[Svetabel]

This letter was sento to Julianas's sister, Frederica, in Portugal, writen in french.
I think this prooves that Idalia was no Juliana's daughter. I dont know exactly where was Grigory Stroganov before being ambassador to the court of Spain, and nothing about Idalia's real mother, place ant date of birth. France is a meer guess.

Thanks for translating. IMHO, the letter doesn't prove anything. Julaina could lie even to her own sister, why not?
Though I must say that Russian researchers have certain doubts about Idalia's maternity too.

[ancemondes]

I keep researching, and let you Know when more details are found.

[bednayaliza]

Sergei Stroganov  near his palace Volishovo (Pskov district)






Eugenia Stroganov (Vassiltchikov)  wife of Sergei Stroganov