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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2006, 07:14:07 AM »
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I have no quarrel with the argument as such, but just would like to say the marriage had no political gain whatsoever, in fact it was rather politically inept as Christian came from a family involved in the Schleswig Holstein question and consequently it annoyed the Danes.  It was arranged purely for QV's domestic convenience - she wanted a younger son who would receive her patronage gratefully and keep Helena in England at her beck and call, and it was for that reason people resented it on Helena's behalf (though there is no sign Helena resented it herself).  The only truly political marriage was Vicky's, although she and Fritz obligingly fell in love with one another.


Helena certainly didn't resent the marriage - she had always been afraid that she would be one who had to stay behind to look after 'Mama'. Bertie, Alix and Alice all firmly opposed the marriage, though Alice urged Bertie to accept it for Helena's sake.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2006, 07:53:15 AM »
Contemporary accounts (letters, etc) indicate that both were very happy with each other at the time of the marriage. The only ones not happy were Bismarck and some of Helena's siblings. Helena was all for the marriage and they had a very happy life together.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2006, 07:57:39 AM »
And it lasted 51 years, the only one of QV's children's marriages to reach the golden wedding anniversary!
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2006, 09:17:26 AM »
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And it lasted 51 years, the only one of QV's children's marriages to reach the golden wedding anniversary!


There's an old fashioned saying that a girl should try to marry someone double her age (minus six years) for the perfect age difference. I think this applied to Helena didn't it?  ;D
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2006, 09:48:34 AM »
I don't think Helena and Christian's marriage was a love match to start with. But grew fond of each other as time went by. I think Missy & Nando,  George & May are also in this catagory.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2006, 02:46:13 PM »
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Please correct me if I'm wrong!


Love Matches
*Vicky and Fritz.


Untill a few minutes ago I also thought that Vicky and her Fritz were one of the most romantic royal couples ever. But then I found this: http://www.preussen-chronik.de/_/person_jsp/key=person_victoria%2520prinzessin%2520von%2520_gro%25dfbritannien.html  :o :'(
It says that Fritz had lots of affairs because he wasn´t sacrified with his political life and got bored! What do you think about this? Maybe it´s only bad-researched? :-/

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2006, 04:52:48 PM »
I'm going to go with badly researched. I've read everything I can get my hands on--favorable and non-- regarding both of them and I haven't ever come across it.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
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I don't think Helena and Christian's marriage was a love match to start with. But grew fond of each other as time went by. I think Missy & Nando,  George & May are also in this catagory.


George and May loved each other a heck of a lot more than Missy & Nando--more than many royals period. I don't think they were as in love when they got married as they were later but their own letters bear out that they did love each other when they married.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2006, 09:08:46 PM »
I don't think so, although they knew each other long enough and liked each other. I don't think it was the kind of love Georgie had for Missy. They grew into each other's company like Dagmar and Sasha.

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2006, 09:54:37 PM »
Of course, let's not forget Victoria & Albert themselves!

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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2006, 10:34:41 PM »
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I don't think so, although they knew each other long enough and liked each other. I don't think it was the kind of love Georgie had for Missy. They grew into each other's company like Dagmar and Sasha.


Well, we must agree to disagree. I don't think his feelings for Missy were deep at all--else he would've moved faster. It was more of those sweet 'first love' things it seems to me. She always had a warm place in his heart for her to be sure but he never seemed grief-stricken at all that they didn't marry--Bertie & Affie seemed more put out by the way the whole thing played out. He also had the platonic love going on with Julie Stonor. Again, I refer back to GV's own words regarding how he felt about May when they married.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2006, 07:51:13 AM »
It really is hard to tell with George and Mary. They found it so difficult to put things into words without writing them down! Whether or not they were in love at the beginning, they certainly where before a long time had passed.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2006, 07:56:26 AM »
I think it makes it somewhat easier--when it's in their own words it's there for history to judge. If there were just anecdotes from other people, it would be harder. Maybe I can relate--my husband (though better than GV!) feels more comfortable when he gives me cards or writes letters when he's gone. I am more of the mushy-gushy school myself.  :) Still, I have kept every card, every letter, every note that comes with flowers he's given me--and after 15 years that's a lot! Having some written items may be nice for our descendants to have--I'll have to get rid of the racier stuff though.  ;) So it doesn't bother me that for GV&QM it's mostly in written form and it doesn't seem to have bothered them overmuch, though QM did say early on that she wished they weren't so stiff--I presume that changed over the years and there is a noticeable change in their body language as the years went on.

Much of what we also know about N&A comes from letters and diaries as does V&A and Vicky & Fritz. Sometimes a person can almost feel like a voyeur reading them--especially diary entries.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2006, 08:08:58 AM »
I see exactly what you mean GDE, what I meant was that it's so much easier to write things you don't mean than to say them! ;) For some people anyway . . .
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2006, 08:23:30 AM »
I see what you mean. On the other hand, we wouldn't have much evidence for just about any royals if most of the talk was in private--as most love talk is.  :)  Royals too, unlike 'regular people', probably weren't given much to demonstrative behavior in front of others--handholding, etc...so written letters are probably the best we have.

One anecdote I like though, concerning GV&QM, also involved Prince John. GV gave QM a kiss upon returning from shooting and John said that she 'kissed Papa. Ugly old man.' The story was told to show John's personality but I found it interesting that GV&QM felt comfortable enough in front of others to share a kiss--I think it was Lala Bill who recorded it but I'm not sure.
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