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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #60 on: April 30, 2007, 07:54:31 PM »
It's been intimated that he had a physical relationship with LL but I don't know if it's ever been conclusively stated. It was definitely a real relationship and one that involved a close friendship between the 2 women as well. Arthur & Louise, based on letters, definitely seem to have been in love and to have had a strong physical relationship from the start.
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« Reply #61 on: May 01, 2007, 02:41:58 AM »
Yes...But they did drift apart in later years.  :(

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« Reply #62 on: May 01, 2007, 09:05:32 AM »
It's been intimated that he had a physical relationship with LL but I don't know if it's ever been conclusively stated. It was definitely a real relationship and one that involved a close friendship between the 2 women as well. Arthur & Louise, based on letters, definitely seem to have been in love and to have had a strong physical relationship from the start.

And did this have the approval of Louise Margaret, Prince Arthur's wife? ???

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« Reply #63 on: May 01, 2007, 09:21:14 AM »
No, they didn't drift apart later in life. Louise remained a strong partner to him. Leonie Leslie even felt that she helped their relationship.

Basilforever--yes, it was all done with the santion and inclusion of Louise. The book Edwardians in Love by Anita Leslie (niece of Leonie) details the relationship very well.
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« Reply #64 on: May 01, 2007, 11:18:35 AM »
So Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught, had a "strongly physical" affair with Leonie, with the approval and inclusion (what does this mean, she had an affair with Leonie too?) of Louise, Duchess of Connaught!? I am shocked.

I did not think Arthur was like that! :o

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« Reply #65 on: May 01, 2007, 11:38:23 AM »
I believe Louise said something along the lines of "Before we met Leonie we never had any fun" I get the impression Louise liked her and Leonie was supportive to Arthur when Louise died.
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« Reply #66 on: May 01, 2007, 11:46:46 AM »
No, I didn't mean Lousie had a physical affair with Leonie--I stated I don't even know if Arthur's relationship with her was physical or not. By inclusion I meant that Leonie wasn't someone on the side that Arthur was involved in--the 3 socialized and travelled together. Leonie, whatever the physical extent of the relationship was with Arthur, certainly wasn't hidden away from either Louise or their children.

If you go back, you'll see that the 'strong phsical' relationship I mentioned was between Arthur and his wife, Louise.
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« Reply #67 on: May 01, 2007, 12:12:55 PM »
Oh right.  :-[ To many ''L'' names, I got confused.
I have heard of this relationship before, how this woman was a close friend of both Louise and Arthur.

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« Reply #68 on: May 01, 2007, 01:00:15 PM »
I justed posted a bunch on the Friend and Confidantes thread--though for some reason the strikethrough feature is activated and I don't know how or why. It can still be read though.
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« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2007, 08:56:33 PM »
Well..Louise and Arthur did drift apart in later years. Robert Golden in his photo book "The Golden Book of Royalty" did used two images to stress that point. I believe that Arthur and Leonie had a full physical relationship.  ::)

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« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2007, 10:07:34 PM »
I just looked through that whole book and there's nothing like that. There's one photo of Arthur & Leonie sailing and some group and individual portraits--none of which give any indication of a strained relationship.

The Connaughts had a strong relationship and Louise accompanied Arthur on almost all his trips and postings, even when her health began to fail. Daisy wrote that her father would be 'absolutely lost & perfectly miserable' (something Leonie seemed to realize) and that her parents had been 'all sufficient for each other'. This might not have been completely true, obviously Leonie supplied something for both of them, and his biographer acknowledges this, but they were true partners. Noble Frankland wrote that 'Indeed, as it had begun, the marriage had always remained a love match. Prince Arthur felt that the parting would have been unbearable had he not believed that there would, in the future, be a reunion. A few days after the funeral he went down to Bagshot resolved to sleep in his marriage bedroom, but he fuond the house sad and lonely, the rooms cold and forlorn and in the middle of the night he woke to find Louischen's dog curled up on the foot of the bed...life could never again be the same for Prince Arthur, and, to his intimates, he conceded, throughout the rest of his long life, that it never was.'

Arthur & Louise in later years on one of their overseas trips:



Arthur & Leonie

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« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2007, 07:19:00 AM »
Very interesting post thank you GD Ella! Is Noble Frankland an author?
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« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2007, 07:50:06 AM »
Yes, Noble Frankland wrote the only modern biography of Arthur. It focuses a lot on his military career and political life rather than family but there is a good bit in there about his marriage.
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Re: Love matches in Victoria's family
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2007, 07:58:37 AM »
Very interesting - I didn't realise there was a biography on Arthur. Does it mention much about Daisys and Prince Arthurs deaths? Must have been sad for him...

157 anniversary of Artthurs birth yesterday...
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« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2007, 08:13:32 AM »
Do you mean his son Prince Arthur's death? Yes that must have been very sad for him particularly, coupled with Margaret's death especially.

I wonder what did Arthur (senior) think of his grandson and heir to the Dukedom Alastair?