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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2011, 01:55:03 PM »
I've never seen the first one in colour and wonder if it was lost or destroyed.  It is an engraving of a Winterhalter I believe, and has been lengthened in the engraving as the Winterhalter I saw reproduced was a 3/4 length.

Yes, it was Winterhalter's. I've seen this verssion but perhaps was colorized, although I don't think now that this is the original... that surely isn't available today

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2011, 05:12:50 PM »


This was painted in Baden in 1850, and is missing since 1945, probably destroyed during the war.

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« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2011, 11:58:54 AM »
Thank you for the info Veronica, what pity to hear that, its quite difficult that it have survived.
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« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2011, 04:05:17 PM »

This was painted in Baden in 1850, and is missing since 1945, probably destroyed during the war.


...or in a Russian collection.  ;)
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2011, 05:29:50 PM »
Back in December 2010, CountessKate wrote:
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"Although Vicky continually wrote of Augusta’s difficult personality throughout the otherwise generally positive mentions, in 1874 QV began to sound more of a warning note.  “I am grieved to hear that you get on less well as time goes on with the Emperor and Empress.  You should however both of you never forget what Fritz owes to his mother.  Without her watchful care in the midst of a very immoral family, he might have turned out very different to what he is; in which case you could never have married him.  And she is so true a friend.  To Papa and me, I never saw anything like it”.

Does anyone know what QV is referring to when she implies that Fritz was brought up in "a very immoral family"?

I'm intrigued by this comment as I have been trying to verify an old story that Fritz's father, Emperor William I, when still just Prince William of Prussia, had had a pre-marital affair about 1824, which resulted in the birth of an illegitimate daughter who had been fostered out to a middle-class family in Berlin. This could certainly be considered immoral behaviour by the standards of the time and I wondered if this might be what Queen Victoria was referring to.

If the story is true, the child in question would also have been Fritz's half-sister, and Vicky's sister-in-law. This might explain why, when Vicky's brother Prince Alfred visited Australia in 1867-68, he carried a Letter of Introduction to the family of the woman in question who had emigrated with her husband in 1848. Not only that, but Alfred met and took a liking to her 17 year old son (Affie was then 23 so not much older) offered him a position as his Aide de Camp and took him back to Europe on his ship, the Galatea, where the boy went to visit his relatives in Germany.

I'm aware that many families have stories of royal ancestry via illegitimate liaisons with various royal personages, and most of these are rubbish.  However this particular tale has some evidence to support it, including contacts with the British royal family.  I would like to find out whether it's true or not as the daughter was my great great grandmother.




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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2011, 08:20:59 PM »
She could also be referring to Wilhelm's siblings:

Charlotte was married to Nicholas I of Russia and we know QV's view of the Romanovs and their marriages
Albrecht was scandalously divorced from Marianne of the Netherlands
Charles was accused of improper behavior towards his granddaughter, QV's future DIL Louise of Connaught (by Louise herself in a letter to her then-fiance Arthur)

I'm sure she had an opinion on some of the behavior of Fritz's scattered cousins as well.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2011, 02:32:14 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2011, 10:51:24 PM »
Wir wollen unser altern Kaiser Wilhelm wiederhaben!  Mit dem Bart!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIYbdyZqTN4  Mit dem Kluge, mit dem langen Kluge.

Wo ist der Kaiser?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujQwTLFzRWY&feature=related
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« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2011, 12:46:45 AM »
Wir wollen unser altern Kaiser Wilhelm wiederhaben!  Mit dem Bart!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIYbdyZqTN4  Mit dem Kluge, mit dem langen Kluge.

Wo ist der Kaiser?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujQwTLFzRWY&feature=related

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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2011, 03:20:27 PM »
"We want our Kaiser Willhelm Back!  The one with the Beard!"  And to this I add, "the one with a clue, With Long Long Keys."

And the second, "Where is the Kaiser...What the world needs now is him, and no more rock and roll."
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2011, 02:45:15 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2011, 05:51:03 PM »
That is quite a dress on the woman whose back it in the center. A body-contoured dress was quite uncommon at this time. The style and ruffled train is currently in vogue for wedding gowns.
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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2011, 11:05:26 PM »
Hi,

Mercy!!  How ever does one walk in a dress like that???  Never mind dance in one?
Just pulling that train would be an engineering marvel!!!

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« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2011, 07:21:32 AM »

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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm I & Augusta of Saxe-Weimar
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2011, 08:30:37 AM »
HI,

Thank you Katenka, for that wonderful film...
She certainly made it look easy and lightweight running through the Catherine Palace;  and then the servant picking up her train and handing it to her in one smooth motion!!!
I'm sure if I was that page or footman, I'd have bungled it up big time - probably thrown it over her head!!!

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