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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2006, 09:06:50 AM »
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What a nice question.  ;)

In the book "Die Habsburger - Ein biographisches Lexikon" by Brigitte Hamann it is said that the marriage was annuled because Isabelle and Georg didn't consummate it.  ;)
Adalbert of Bavaria, who wrote many books about his family, doesn't say a word about the reasons.
Gisela, Georg's mother, was very sad. It was an unpleasant story for both of the families.



Aha.

I wonder how Prince Leopold reacted about that.  :o

Poor Gisela, first the scandal with Elisabeth and Baron Seefried auf Buttenheim, and next an annuled marriage by Georg. Her children weren't easy.

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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2006, 12:05:53 PM »
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(left to right) Friedrich, his sister Maria Christine of Spain, Isabella II., Isabella, Infanta Maria de las Mercedes, unknown boy, Infanta Maria Teresa and Alfons XIII.
- Madrid, 1896 -

3rd lady is not Isabel II but her daughter, Infanta Isabel, Pss of Asturias (twice) Dowager Countess of Girgenti, aka La Chata.

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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2006, 01:08:50 PM »
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3rd lady is not Isabel II but her daughter, Infanta Isabel, Pss of Asturias (twice) Dowager Countess of Girgenti, aka La Chata.


Thanks for this correction, José. I don't know much about the Royal Family of Spain, so I've just believed in what the authors were writing.

Isabella, Countess of Girgenti was a sister-in-law of Francesco II. of Naples, right? I read somewhere that her husband commited suicide.


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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2006, 02:01:04 PM »
Gaetano was a half-brother of king Francesco II.

He suffered from epilepsy, but that fact was kept secret from the spanish RF.
Gaetano had been sort of the "adopted son" of his uncles AD Rainieri of Austria, his mother Mª Teresa being the sister of AD Mª Carolina.

After the wedding, Gaetano and Isabel lived with them for a while and those were the happiest days for Isabel, meeting all her austrian, napolitan and tuscan cousins, with inumerous bals and receptions.

Then they moved to Switzerland .
There Gaetano's condition degenerated very rapidly and after a first suicide attempt by jumping through a window, he finally shot himself.

Isabel found herself a widow at 20 and never remarried.

She was very concerned about her royal high birth and duties and was one of the main bad influences on her nephew spoil brat Alfonso XIII to whom she induced the idea that being the king, everything was allowed to him and every desire was a royal command.

However she was very loved by the spanish people whose traditions she adopted.
She loved bullfights and supported the arts, mainly music and theater.

When the Civil War broke, and the king hastly left the country, the republicans allowed her to remain in Spain, granting that she would suffer no harm, disrespect or ill-treatment.

Very proud of her condition of former Princess of Asturias, she refused and took the first train to Paris where she expected to join her family.
But her ungrateful family had other things to worry about than an old aunt and negelcted her completely.

A few days after her arrival in Paris, she just died of sorrow from what was happening in her country and the treatment her family provided her.

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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2006, 07:30:23 AM »
Thanks for this interesting information, José.

Ferdinando II. and his second wife Maria Teresa had so many children. Do you know why Rainer and his wife Marie cared so much about their nephew Gaetano? Did he live with them in Vienna after 1860/61?

Two of Gaetano's sisters, Maria Annunziata and Maria Immaculata, became Archduchesses of Austria. Do you know anything about the relationship between Rainer/Marie and their nieces?
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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2006, 11:42:36 AM »
Rainieri and Maria Carolina had a childless marriage.
Maria Carolina was Maria Theresia (Gaetano's mother) younger sister.
M.T. died in 1867 when Gaetano was just 13 years old.
(BTW you are right. M.T had 13 children !)
As the 3rd son of the family, Gaetano had little importance in the napolitan succession so the Rainieris took care of him.
During his brief married life, Gaetano and Isabel stayed some time in Vienna with their uncles, but then they moved to Switzerland where Gaetano killed himself.

If you can read spanish, there is a rather interesting book about Isabel, naturally covering her married life period.

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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2006, 03:48:56 AM »
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It's impossible to scan all of them if you want to do something else in your life, too  ...  ;)

I think in this book are a few pics of Natalie and Stéphanie who died quite young. Does anybody have some more pics of the two girls?

Scanning any of them is really impossible now, because my scanner said NO. Until we (me & my scanner) become friends again, here's a small portrait study of son Albrecht from 1917 by the celebrated Hungarian portraitist oh his age, Gyula Benczur. (As a young boy, Albrecht was a popular motif: there are some sculptures of him by Alajos Strobl - in THAT book there are some pics showing Albrecht as a young boy in the Atelier of Strobl. If my scanner worked...   :'( )




Thanks for this phantastic photo, I was very amazed to see it, because pictures of Isabella and Friedrichs only son Albrecht are very rare and not so easy to find. Do you have any adult pictures of him? Ans what´s about two of the sisters , who died very young? Nathalie and one other girl? Do you have any pictures and do you have any interesting book or source to mention?

I am so interested in this, because I once had a short contact to Albrechts two daughters by his (second) wife Katalin: Their names are Sárolta (Sari) and Ildiko (Ildi) and they were born in 1940 and 1942. After the war they fled from the Russian together with thei mother and came to my hometown and got to know the family of a former teacher of mine. All children were very young in 1945, but the story was quite interesting, because Princess Katalin ´s driver ( he is said to have been a bit more than this to her ;)) lived in the house of my former history teacher from school. My teacher celebrated his sixth birthday together with the two daughters of Albrecht, and also after this they visited him several times and the children were playing together very nicely in his house (in my hometown Bad Homburg, Hessen, Germany)
Unfortunaley after the year of 1945 the contact between them broke, and my teacher never saw the girls again. Katalin and her children had emigrated to the US.  Later my teachers parents always told everyone, who came to the house very proudly: A Habsburg  Princess with her two children was here!"
When my teacher was an adult his interest came back, he wanted to know, who were the two princesses from his childhood days, but he did not know where to find. As he was a child he did not remember the names of the children correctly and he always remembered "Charly" instead of "Sari" and "Lilli instead of "Ildi"...Later on the wrote to different ambassadies organisations in Hungary and also asked Otto von Habsburg, but as the names were wrong nobody could help him. Once he told me about this story and I really could find them by asking a distant cousin of the two ladies: Géza of Habsburg. He gave me the addresses and I had a phone call with one of the sisters, and she was really the one, who had been to Bad Homburg in 1945. But despite of all there was never a real contact: She said that she is too busy and does not have any memories concerning the past. Her sister in America the same.  I was  really unhappy I must say, because at the beginning sari was so friendly and promised to write me, but she never answered any letter, I still do not know, if she got any. Both ladies are not interested in a conversation.
But there is still the fact that Albrecht, their father seemed to belong to a minority of the Habsburg family, who is said to have cooperated with the Nazis, and this may have been a reason also for her wife Katalin to be afraid of the red Army in 1945. Officially Katalin  and Albrecht were divorced some years later in Mexico, I think (1951 or something, have to look it up again) but they were not together anymore already in 1945, because Katalin and her children had come alone with her children to Bad Homburg, and my teacher being a boy at this time as I said always thought that she was a widow, but in fact she wasn´t. She only had he driver with her , he was called Hotvin and was always playing and drinking in the Casino of Bad homburg, as my former teacher could remember...he had much more memories on Sari and Ildi as they had from him. They did not remember him at all.
Albrecht is said to have a son in America, too, but this can not be clarified as I have read, it´s quite strange this case. Some say that a son, Stephan does exist and others say no.

So do you any more interesting pictures of Albrecht?  And his family? His daughter Sari always promised me to send photos of her and her family, but she didn´t ....I am sooo unhappy! :'(
 
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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2006, 03:55:14 AM »
Or do you have this picture of Albrecht in a big version?
Thanks for replying ;)
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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2006, 06:39:15 AM »
I have some more pictures of Albrecht and even of his sisters Natalie and Stéphanie who died quite young. I'll post them later, Britt.
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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2006, 08:30:13 AM »
I would be happy :)
I only know childhood photos of Albrecht, but not many...and the little sisters I haven´t seen...It´s really a pity to me that the contact with his daughters broke, because Sari was so friendly at the telephone, she is not a typical "aristocratic", but very simple in her character, even if she bears the title of a Princess of Hungary (this special title was once given to her father) but then she never ever answered me :'(
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2006, 09:42:22 AM »
First of all: It is really hard to identify all these girls, because they all took after their mother ... I did my very best ...



(left to right) lady in waiting, Henriette, Natalie, Isabella with her little daughters Isabelle and Gabrielle, Maria Anna and Maria Christina, Sophie Chotek (Preßburg, 1896)



Little Natalie must be among these girls, because this pic was taken in 1896 ... By this year, Isabella had seven daughters, but the 3-year old Maria Alice (born 1893) is not on the picture, I guess ...
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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2008, 09:32:41 AM »
Does anyone know pictures of Isabella as a child with parents or siblings or anything???
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« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2008, 12:31:48 PM »
The pictures are all in the great book "Ein Fotoalbum aus dem Hause Habsburg"...I have it, but in Hungarian, a mistake, i wanted to have it in German, but it arrived in Hungarian.
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« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2008, 04:07:31 PM »
It's quite rare, but i also think about ordering a second volume in German! Because I can't read anything from the hungarian text. If anyone wants pictures, I can try to post some pages. A pity that MarieCharlotte put them away....She was the kind one, who informed me on that great book!!!
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Re: Archduke Friedrich (1856-1936) and his family
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2008, 04:57:05 AM »
I have this picture from a page about the Albertina in Vienna (unfortuntaley I haven't been there)



Does anybody know, who made this painting of Archduchess Isabella and where it could be to find in bigger?

Thank you!


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