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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2006, 12:02:56 PM »
Interesting wedding souvenir (the wedding was in 1922)

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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2006, 12:17:23 PM »
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 It certainly was not a love match, but not a completely arranged marriage either  - the family did not have an issue with an aristocrat marriage for any of the children.


I understood that the postwar situation meant that a member of the English or Scots aristocracy was just about the only suitable spouse! GV had 'made it known' that he had no objection to such but I believe that Stamfordham had stressed that the 'nation would tolerate no more foreign marriages.' Already before 1914 there was considerable disquiet about the number of German spouses in particular. As well, there's the change of name to 'Windsor'  the reasons for which are well-known. National and royal sensitivity was most acute during the immediate postwar years.

Has anyone any confirmation or more info on the 'bet' rumour?

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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2006, 12:54:42 PM »
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"We did not talk of our feelings or what we meant to each other, but rather our duty. and what one ought to do..."


What an interesting comment.  It certainly makes me wonder exactly what he meant by that.  

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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2006, 04:56:03 PM »
Could refer to his marital situation--Pss Mary might've taken a page from the abdication drama and not have talked about personal issues but rather where the duty would lie and what a proper royal would do rather than what the heart's desire might be. The family of GV&QM had a really hard time discussing serious emotional issues despite personal views. QM once wrote of EVIII during the Abdication something along the lines of 'the poor boy and how she felt for him as a mother' angry as she was as a royal and a Queen but when it came to discussing it face-to-face it was impossible. Pss Mary seems to have inherited this.
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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2006, 05:57:36 AM »
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The present Lord Harewood (Mary's elder son) wrote his memoirs some time ago.The younger son is long dead.



When did he die?

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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2006, 08:10:40 AM »
Is there any info about their sons? pictures? I know both married twice and have several children of their own. I have also heard that several of their decendants have been cut off from getting a title because their parents didn't get married until way after their were born and that it is the younger children who will be inheriting the title. doesn't seem fair does it!

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2006, 08:57:04 AM »
You can read more about the family in my book, Queen Victoria's Descendants, as Lord Harewood and his sons and his brother and his brother's sons have all been cooperative.  

Lord Harewood's eldest son Viscount Lascelles has been married twice.  He has four children by his first wife - the first two, a daughter and a son - were born before the marriage.  Thus, this son cannot inherit the title ..the second is the eventual heir to the earldom.  You have to be born after the marriage.  However, the two eldest children do have the courtesy title Honourable as the Earl asked the Queen for this.  
His second son James, who works in music, has been married three times .. two children by his first wife, two children by his second wife (the first child was born some years before the marriage and the second child, born a few days or so after the marriage ).  James' third wife is Nigerian (no children).  Jeremy has been married twice (his children were born after the marriage).  

Lord Harewood's fourth son Mark was born before the marriage, and he and his male descendants have no dynastic rights but he does have the courtesy title Hon.

Lord Harewood's late brother, Gerald, has two son - Henry, born to a legitimate marriage (and he is divorced with a son),  and Martin born some years before marriage to his mother.  Martin has no dynastic rights.

The sons and their families are rather private.  The companion edition to my book includes a photo of Lord and Lady Harewood and most of their kids and grandkids - this photo was taken for his 80th birthday if I recall.  It would be a violation of copyright laws to scan the photo and repost here as I had permission solely to use it in the book.  

Lord Harewood's sons do not attend royal events, including weddings, etc., and have their own private lives so you rarely ever see articles or photos about them.
Some years ago, James and his second wife, Lori, were featured in Hello with a nice photo selection, but that was at least a decade or more ago now,

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Is there any info about their sons? pictures? I know both married twice and have several children of their own. I have also heard that several of their decendants have been cut off from getting a title because their parents didn't get married until way after their were born and that it is the younger children who will be inheriting the title. doesn't seem fair does it!

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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2006, 09:04:10 AM »
They don't attend royal events but do they have a relationship with their royal cousins or have the 2 branches drifted apart?
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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2006, 01:32:20 PM »
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They don't attend royal events but do they have a relationship with their royal cousins or have the 2 branches drifted apart?


Lord Harewood was a pariah for so many years.  He was not invited to the duke of Windsor's funeral or Anne's wedding.  He returned to favor in 1981, but attended only a few events.  His kids have no contact except when needing to ask permission to marry.
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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2006, 03:06:04 PM »
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Is there any info about their sons? pictures? I know both married twice and have several children of their own. I have also heard that several of their decendants have been cut off from getting a title because their parents didn't get married until way after their were born and that it is the younger children who will be inheriting the title. doesn't seem fair does it!


They would have known the rules beforehand though, had they wanted their elder children to inherit.  :-/
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2006, 02:00:02 PM »
Thank you all for steering me to this thread about Princess Mary.  I'm still a bit new to this site, and I appreciate your patience. :)

In his autobiography, "Captain of the Queens," Commodore Harry Grattridge tells of one of the most awkward cocktail parties he had ever given on the RMS Queen Mary. (no date given, most likely 1952-53)  Princess Mary and her brother, the Duke of Windsor, were returning to England on the news that HM Queen Mary was in poor health.  Page 262... "The Princess Royal, so quiet and serious that morning, did not respond to my efforts at conversation.  The Duke, too, seemed unusually lost in thought and made no attempt to mix into the party. I knew this was a troubled time for brother and sister, as the news from England suggested that Queen Mary was gravely ill, but as host I had to do my best.  We could not sit mute for three quarters of an hour.  I tried every topic I knew: the ship, the weather, music, the excitement of visiting New York.  All in vain.  The Princess smiled at me vaguely and courteously, seeming to dismiss each subject from her mind as I raised it."

"Good heavens, I thought, I cannot keep this up much longer.  Surely someone will say something?"

"A leaden silence fell.  The Duke stared absently through a porthole at the grey Atlantic. (other guests seemed to have run out of words too ) Suddenly, turning to the Duke, I blurted out desperately, 'Excuse me, sir - do you have a tip for the Grand National?"  That was the first time I ever saw the Duke smile.  I think he sensed my embarrassment and was anxious to make amends.  "No, I haven't," he chuckled, "and, what's more, if I had, I don't think I'd be inclined to share it."

"But what a change came over the Princess Royal then!  Her face lit up like a young girl's at her first ball.  With immense animation she began to discuss with me not only the Grand National but handicaps and selling plates of which I had never even heard.  It seemed that she was passionately, wholeheartedly, and exclusively interested in horses.  I will swear that before she left she had mentioned almost every winner of the Derby back to 1780, when the race began."

I love these kind of anecdotes!   I just wish I could find more of them about her.

I believe it was Chips Channon, MP and London socialite, who wrote of Princess Mary in his famous diary "...has an easy sense-of-humor, but an otherwise colorless personality."   I suspect he got the first part right, but may have overlooked the veneer one might expect to be found on a royal princess.   I'm sure there was much more to her than what Chips could judge from his fleeting distance.  

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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2006, 08:38:27 PM »
From The Little Princesses by Marion Crawford, when it was decided to form a Girl Guide company at Buckingham Palace:

"The Princess Royal, magnificent in her Guide uniform, came down to enroll everybody.  She was a great deal more nervous than the recruits because the King stood behind her in a doorway looking on, making sotto voce  brotherly remarks which she found it difficult not to laugh at."

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Re: Princess Mary, the Princess Royal
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2006, 01:29:23 PM »



A few of Princess Mary Countess of Harewood from little to wenn she is older.

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2006, 01:32:46 PM »
 



really like the last two :)

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