The Nikolaivichi

[ashdean]

Portrait of Princess Nadezhda Petrovna, 1917 year

Savery Sorine?

[Svetabel]

Savery Sorine?

exactly.

[violetta]

another picture of alexandra petrovna

[Svetabel]

As for pseudomaladies - I didn't say that's my opinion, I talked about how some Romanovs saw Alexandra's life and nature. I believe she had a bad health.

About bad health of GDss Alexandra Petrovna.
Seemed everything was quite good till 1879 year when GDss’ spine was injured in an accident (horses made a bolt and her carriage turned over). After that she was not able to move by herself and used a wheelchair. She went to the Black Sea for cure and then to Italy where she was living on board of steamship Eriklik winter 1880-1881 years. Then she visited Corfu and returned to Russia, to Kiev and settled there.
Only in 1889 she was able to stand on her feet using crutches.In 1892 she went through a surgery (breast tumor) and left for Corfu for further rest. In 1895 she went to Nizza for cure.
The cause of her death was cancer of stomach, as the sources say.

[Marc]

There was a slight tiff between two sisters and Grand Duchesses Milica and Anastasia after Anastasia married Grand Duke Nicholas...

Milica was elder sister and the eldest one in the family since Zorka has died...as such and as wife of a Grand Duke she always took precedence,but after the marriage of her sister to her husbands elder brother suddenly Anastasia took precedence over Milica which caused few dissagreements between the two...

Her grandson Prince Nicholas said that he always found Anastasia "false",the way she speaked and behaved and didn't like her because of that.

He also said that Emperor Nicholas II wrote a letter to Milica(1916) in which he asked about her opinion on what territories should be added to Montenegro if the war goes their way...

She was very ambitious for Montenegro,loved it with all her heart and said she would never set her foot on it during the reign of her nephew or anyone others reign except of Petrovic-Njegosh family...while staying with Grand Duke Peter in Montenegro there was a threat for their life from the Turkish side,so they were ordered to leave...she didn't want to leave and she stayed in Montenegro while her husband Peter left for Russia...

She was very brave and adored her father...there is also a story about her and Xenia driving through Skadar lake with their father Nicholas...they heard a shotgun from the other side and thought that Turkish soldiers wanted to kill their father and she and Princess Xenia "hugged" him in order to protect him with their own body from the bullets!

Also,Prince Nicholas said about very complicated relationship this side of the family had with their cousins,the Karadjordjevic family...

[Svetabel]

There was a slight tiff between two sisters and Grand Duchesses Milica and Anastasia after Anastasia married Grand Duke Nicholas...

Milica was elder sister and the eldest one in the family since Zorka has died...as such and as wife of a Grand Duke she always took precedence,but after the marriage of her sister to her husbands elder brother suddenly Anastasia took precedence over Milica which caused few dissagreements between the two...

Her grandson Prince Nicholas said that he always found Anastasia "false",the way she speaked and behaved and didn't like her because of that.

He also said that Emperor Nicholas II wrote a letter to Milica(1916) in which he asked about her opinion on what territories should be added to Montenegro if the war goes their way...

She was very ambitious for Montenegro,loved it with all her heart and said she would never set her foot on it during the reign of her nephew or anyone others reign except of Petrovic-Njegosh family...while staying with Grand Duke Peter in Montenegro there was a threat for their life from the Turkish side,so they were ordered to leave...she didn't want to leave and she stayed in Montenegro while her husband Peter left for Russia...

She was very brave and adored her father...there is also a story about her and Xenia driving through Skadar lake with their father Nicholas...they heard a shotgun from the other side and thought that Turkish soldiers wanted to kill their father and she and Princess Xenia "hugged" him in order to protect him with their own body from the bullets!

Also,Prince Nicholas said about very complicated relationship this side of the family had with their cousins,the Karadjordjevic family...

Those Montenegrin Princesses were quite interesting women. Personally I always 'prefer' Militza as Stana looks..false, exact word for her ,as you mentioned. We don't know the truth but I have serious doubts that Stana really fell in love into GD NN-younger...

As for complicated relationship with the Serbian relatives - I think a lot is said about it in "Nikola nad Milena book"  - indeed not easy relations.

[Marc]

You are right ;-)

All this was said by Prince Nicholas in a 40 minutes interview to the Montenegrin TV...

[Kalafrana]

Reading 'The Russian Court at Sea', two people who come across really well are Peter Nikolaievich's son Roman Petrovich and younger daughter Marina. Two very decent unpretentious young people. The author doesn't make the point, but the fact that Roman spent two years on the Caucasian front as an ordinary junior officer of Engineers (a very vital but unglamorous branch of the army, though 'first into action and last out', as my Royal Engineer grandfather used to tell my father) says a great deal about him. The British officers of HMS Marlborough seem not to have been terribly impressed with Peter Nikolaievich, who obviously suffered in comparison with his brother, but at least he didn't behave in prima donna fashion (he seems in fact to have been one for the quiet life).

Ann

[gem_10]

A bigger version of a well-known portrait of Grand Duchess Alexandra Petrovna.

[Gerta]

While doing research , I was looking throught the Washington Post archives and found an article from Dec. 1892 that stated that "Count" Peter Nikolaevich, son of the late G.D. Nickolai Nikolaevich (brother of the late czar), quarrelled with an american at the casino in Monte Carlo, fought a duel with pistols on the seashore the following morning and was killed.   We all know the story is false and he lived a fairly long life, but has anyone else heard this story?

[Marc]

Well,Grand Duke N.N also had some illegitimate children,but as far as I know none of them was called Peter,so this could be some of his illegitimate sons,if true at all...

[Dru]

Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder by Zichy.

[Marc]

Has someone got pictures of Pss. Marina and Nadjejda's husbands -engagements, wedding, Nadjejda's children, Princes Galitzine and Orloff ?

I have posted a picture of the wedding of Princess Nadejda and Prince Nicolai Orlov where you can also see his father Prince Vladimir and his mother,famous Princess Olga Orlova...

You can find it in weddings of the Romanovs thread.

[Dru]

I have a question concerning the family nickname of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder:  Was it Nizi, Niza, or some other variation?  I have seen both translations, but my Russian isn't great, so I could use a little help from someone more fluent that I.  Thank you kindly in advance.

[Svetabel]

I have a question concerning the family nickname of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich the Elder:  Was it Nizi, Niza, or some other variation?  I have seen both translations, but my Russian isn't great, so I could use a little help from someone more fluent that I.  Thank you kindly in advance.

From all the sources I've ever seen his nickname was Nizi.