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Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« on: March 16, 2006, 04:14:06 AM »
Yes...I know there are several threads about the couple, but I will enjoy if someone of you could explain how the story began...

Where they met first? Bertie fell in love with Alix at first sight? Who were favourable to the macht and who were opposite in the british entourage?

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2006, 04:56:50 AM »
The match was primarily the idea of QV, Vicky and one of Vicky's ladies-in-waiting.

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2006, 05:13:15 AM »
From what I read, it was not love at first sight from Bertie's end, even though I'm sure he liked Alix's looks.  Apparently Alix was also being considered for a possible Russian crown princess position at the time.

After Prince Albert's death QV was quick to want Bertie to settle down.

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2006, 06:14:43 AM »
I know that Vicky sent a lot of letters to her mother giving a marvellous portrait of Alix...so beauty, so well-mannered, etc. But I have read that Bertie knew Alix at Belgian court...at he found her lovely. Do you know something about this first meeting?

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2006, 07:01:15 AM »
There was a thread 'Seven Princesses for Bertie' which detailed the search for a suitable wife.

Vicky was deputized to lead the hunt since she was well-stationed in Germany. Poor Vicky, who was dealing with motherhood and pregnancy during the search, had to make lists, sound out families, get information from observers and pass this info on. She was harangued almost daily by QV. The princess needed to be Protestant, of good character and the right age. Vicky recommended that beauty play a part since she felt that would appeal to Bertie the most--and was correct. The latter requirement ruled out several of the candidates. Intelligence would've been nice but it wasn't a major priority, though of course, they didn't want a stupid future Queen either.

Once it was settled on Alexandra (and Vicky had done sufficient reconaissance on her), contacted Queen (then Princess) Louise and she supplied some photos to QV and Bertie and then arranged some meetings. QV's main worry was the potential political situation and this did prove a later factor during the Schleswig-Holstein crisis. There was also some concerns about her family. She dithered around until she heard that Russia was also sniffing around Alexandra and decided they couldn't lose that 'pearl' to the horrid Russians. She decided that no other princess would attract Bertie sufficiently and they made an offer of marriage.
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2006, 07:02:43 AM »
Bertie & Alix first met in Germany in Speyer. The meeting was arranged by both family of course. They liked each other but Bertie did not seem to be that impressed and asked his parents for a little time to think it over (this angered QV very much). The engagement took place in Brussels the following year.

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2006, 07:07:03 AM »
Yes, the Speyer meeting was done with the knowledge of Bertie and Alexandra's parents but Alexandra herself was kept in the dark about the 'accidental' meeting. Vicky accompanied Bertie and they were supposedly visiting the area.

You can see 'Bruxelles' on several of the engagement photos taken.
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2006, 07:08:06 AM »
Because of Bertie's previous sexual indiscretion with Nellie Clifden, which had worried his parents who were afraid he had inherited the immoral tendencies of his Hanoverian forebears, Albert and Victoria were agreed that an early marriage was essential for Bertie and his future wife must be beautiful enough to keep his attention, and his morals, at home.  Albert had seen a photograph of Alexandra and was very enthusiastic - when decrying Bertie's escapade he even worried that Alexandra's parents might reject Bertie for his immorality (he over-reacted dreadfully in fact).  Although things were put on hold as Albert died soon after this (Victoria blamed his death at least partly on the distress Bertie's behaviour undeniably caused him), the proposed match had the approval of Albert and thus became even more sanctified, so Victoria pursued this as a high priority when her first immediate grief had passed.

The couple met in Belgium under the aegis of King Leopold, to see whether they liked one another.  Vicky was there too, to provide detailed reports on Alexandra and her family for QV, who was too overwhelmed to travel abroad on this sort of errand.  The couple decided they could get on, Bertie was impressed with Alexandra's beauty, Vicky made a favourable report, and QV agreed the match should proceed.   Bertie was keen to set up his own establishment and become independent.  Alexandra was a well-brought-up princess and prepared to fall in love with the heir to the throne of Great Britain.  They became fond enough of one another, but love match it was not.


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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2006, 07:16:56 AM »
I thought Bertie stalled about the relationship after meeting Alix once or twice and QV finally had to "force" the issue.

Vicky first heard about Alix from some aid or diplomat, I believe, who told  her about Alixs' beauty and figure, and she proceeded from there to arrange for photos and a meeting, I believe.

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2006, 12:15:56 PM »
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I thought Bertie stalled about the relationship after meeting Alix once or twice and QV finally had to "force" the issue.

Vicky first heard about Alix from some aid or diplomat, I believe, who told  her about Alixs' beauty and figure, and she proceeded from there to arrange for photos and a meeting, I believe.


QV stalled first and then when she'd made up her mind that QA was the only real choice, she found Bertie dragging his feet. That did not please her at all.
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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2006, 11:32:31 PM »
Bertie and Alix?  Love story?  I don't think so...or if it was a love story, it was a very one sided one...

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2006, 05:17:56 AM »
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Vicky first heard about Alix from some aid or diplomat, I believe, who told  her about Alixs' beauty and figure, and she proceeded from there to arrange for photos and a meeting, I believe.


The wife of the diplomat was Vicky's lady in waiting.  The diplomat had served in a previous diplomatic post in Denmark.

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Re: Queen Alexandra (1844-1925), Part III
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2006, 05:52:34 AM »
The (former) lady in waiting was Walburga, Lady Paget. She was born in Berlin, daughter of Karl von Hohenthal, and she married Sir Augustus Berkeley Paget, British Minister to Copenhagen in 1860. She was thus well placed to help arrange the marriage of the Prince of Wales with Princess Alexandra. In 1928 she published her memoirs, The Linings of Life.