Edward and Katharine, Duke & Duchess of Kent, their family

[Prince_Lieven]

Isn't the Duke of Norfolk still Catholic? Surely he'd be the highest ranking?

[grandduchessella]

That's who it is--I couldnt remember the name. I just remember a Duke being mentioned around the Pope's funeral because of the conflict with Charles's wedding and whether or not he'd attend. British nobility isn't my strong suit.  :-/

Would the next Duke of Kent be higher ranking than the Duke of Norfolk? The Dukedom won't be a royal one anymore but not far removed from one.

[Grace]

I didn't regard it as patronizing but if you did apologies. I would hope you would extend the same courtesy since I found rather offensive the remark about the Catholic faith & it's stand on marriage and calling a reasoned explaination about the facts of a Catholic annulment 'absurd'.

I apologise if I have caused any offence as this was not intended.  However, I still do not agree with annulments but Tsaria has warned us off the topic now so I will say no more.

[grandduchessella]

They announced on the BRMB that Lord Nicholas Windsor is to marry Paola Frankopan, a British-born member of the Croatian aristocracy. Paola is a Catholic while Nicholas has, like his mother, converted.

[Marlene]

No one announced anything ... a Sunday tabloid - the Mirror, I think, ran a silly story abouy a divorce ... there was no confirmation from the Kents' office - they ignored the story.
The couple live largely separate lives, but in the same house (Wren Cottage on the Kensington Palace estate) ..and the duchess no longer carries out official engagements.

Well over a year ago it was announced that the Duke and Duchess were filing for divorce.  Have they actually divorced as yet? or is it still in the process?

[Marlene]

At court perhaps .. however, the Duke of Norfolk is a dukedom of England, which ranks higher than  dukedom of the UK  - Norfolk is one of the ancient peerages.

That's who it is--I couldnt remember the name. I just remember a Duke being mentioned around the Pope's funeral because of the conflict with Charles's wedding and whether or not he'd attend. British nobility isn't my strong suit.  :-/

Would the next Duke of Kent be higher ranking than the Duke of Norfolk? The Dukedom won't be a royal one anymore but not far removed from one.

[Marlene]

No one has announced anything!   There was an article in a gossip column in yesterday's Daily Mail -- if there is an announcement, it will come from the Kents' office and be published in the Court Circular.

The Kents' office has neither confirmed nor denied anything  ---

by the way,  Lord St Andrews has not converted ... but his son has.

They announced on the BRMB that Lord Nicholas Windsor is to marry Paola Frankopan, a British-born member of the Croatian aristocracy. Paola is a Catholic while Nicholas has, like his mother, converted.

There was a link provided on the BRMB that has a small picture of the 2:

http://www.pathtorome.com/ptrimages/06PTRkickoff.pdf#search='lord%20nicholas%20windsor'

[Marlene]

It is now official  Lord Nicholas Windsor to marry Paola doimi de Frankopan

[Lucien]

The announcement by the press secretary of HM The Queen:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page5509.asp

[grandduchessella]

I had posted this on another thread back when it was a rumor still. It has a link to a (small) picture of the couple.

They announced on the BRMB that Lord Nicholas Windsor is to marry Paola Frankopan, a British-born member of the Croatian aristocracy. Paola is a Catholic while Nicholas has, like his mother, converted.

There was a link provided on the BRMB that has a small picture of the 2:

http://www.pathtorome.com/ptrimages/06PTRkickoff.pdf#search='lord%20nicholas%20windsor'

The Daily Mail had this blurb:

Royal to marry in Vatican 
12/09/2006 08:28:44

She or the first time in more than 400 years, a member of the Royal Family is to marry in the Vatican, I can reveal. In a highly significant move, the Queen has granted permission for her cousin Lord Nicholas Windsor to wed in Rome.

I couldn't read anymore because I don't have a subscription.

[TampaBay]

Who is she and does anyone "konw" anything about her.

TampaBay

[grandduchessella]

It's being discussed on various royal groups. On alt.talk.royalty here's an article someone found. It relates to the marriage of Paola's brother:

[edited--please see follow-up post for link to article which gives some background info]


A foreign article was also translated from the website of the Croatian Nobility Association (Collegium Nobilium
Croaticum) about her father:

"Prompted by questions of the visitors to our web-site about some strange self-proclaimed "knez" and "princes" Frankopan - Subic Zrinski, we present here the position of the Croatian Nobility Association on this sad case.

Our esteemed member, Mr Vjekoslav Nikola Antun Dojmi di Delupis, born in 1939 in Split, is a descendant of one of our oldest and most esteemed noble families, and as such, has been received in the Croatian Nobility Association at the very beginning of its existance.

After certain time in Great Britain, from unknown reasons, he changed his honourable name into "Luis Doimi de Frankopan Subic Zrinski" (see a reprint of the passport); we consider that such unusual, imaginery, and self-proclaimed noble can no longer be considered a member of our honourable Association.

That is the reason why the Nobiliary Council recently suggested to the Nobilary Board to erase Mr Nikola Dojmi de Lupis from the list of members of the CNA, for breach of Article 11 of our statutes (false representation and breach of ethical norms).

We also note that the CNA does not intend do deal with the false representation of members of Mr Nikola Dojmi de Lupis' family (wife and children), who have never been members of our Association.

Still, we consider that the legal state should react when somebody starts fake representation as a "knez", prince or princess Frankopan or Zrinski, and thus fouls the names of our famous, long extinct noble families who never pretended to titles that were not appropriate to them."

A link was also provided to a site giving information on Paola's mother:

http://www.4-5graysinnsquare.co.uk/people/index.cfm?id=581

A peerage site lists the father as Count Louis Doimi de Frankopan Subic Zrinski while the eldest child Peter is listed as 'Prince' and the other 3 children (Paola being the youngest and only girl) have no titles.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p20558.htm#i205578

It all seems very confusing. 

[Marlene]

Ella - you might want to edit your post.  Having worked for the DT for several years, I know they are very much against reprinting their articles without permission.

Paola was born Paola Doimi di Delupis.  Her father has added a few names along the way including Frankopan.  When he adopted the title prince and Frankopan (a Croatian noble family that became extinct in the 1600s), he was chucked out of the Croatian nobility association.

Her mother is Swedish.  The family are not entitled to Don or Donna either as they are not Italian nobles  -- pure pretense.

It's being discussed on various royal groups. On alt.talk.royalty here's an article someone found. It relates to the marriage of Paola's brother:

From the Daily Telegraph Apr 30, 1997:-


THE FIANCÉ PRINCE FORMERLY KNOWN AS PETER

A DOUBLE blessing has fallen on the family of Sir Timothy Sainsbury, retiring MP for Hove. Not only has his daughter Jessica become engaged to a young Cambridge graduate, but that young man is a living
historical phenomenon.

Throughout his days at Eton, Jessica's fiance went by the name Peter de Lupis. Then, suddenly, while he was at university, his family emerged as descendants of the noble House of Frankopan, previously believed
extinct in the 19th century.

Count Peter, as he became, then rapidly discovered he was Prince Peter Frankopan of Croatia, a member of that war-torn republic's old royal family. This is the style used on the couple's wedding invitations. "I don't know much about the family other than that they are closely intertwined with the history of Croatia," Sir Timothy tells me amiably. "I will just continue to enjoy playing tennis with my future son-in-law."

Croatian historians are less calm. "This is remarkable news," says one. "No one realised the Counts Frankopan had ever been made princes, or that they remained alive. And we had thought that the last Croatian
noble to reign over the country was murdered in 1542."
END

A foreign article was also translated from the website of the Croatian Nobility Association (Collegium Nobilium
Croaticum) about her father:

"Prompted by questions of the visitors to our web-site about some strange self-proclaimed "knez" and "princes" Frankopan - Subic Zrinski, we present here the position of the Croatian Nobility Association on this sad case.

Our esteemed member, Mr Vjekoslav Nikola Antun Dojmi di Delupis, born in 1939 in Split, is a descendant of one of our oldest and most esteemed noble families, and as such, has been received in the Croatian Nobility Association at the very beginning of its existance.

After certain time in Great Britain, from unknown reasons, he changed his honourable name into "Luis Doimi de Frankopan Subic Zrinski" (see a reprint of the passport); we consider that such unusual, imaginery, and self-proclaimed noble can no longer be considered a member of our honourable Association.

That is the reason why the Nobiliary Council recently suggested to the Nobilary Board to erase Mr Nikola Dojmi de Lupis from the list of members of the CNA, for breach of Article 11 of our statutes (false representation and breach of ethical norms).

We also note that the CNA does not intend do deal with the false representation of members of Mr Nikola Dojmi de Lupis' family (wife and children), who have never been members of our Association.

Still, we consider that the legal state should react when somebody starts fake representation as a "knez", prince or princess Frankopan or Zrinski, and thus fouls the names of our famous, long extinct noble families who never pretended to titles that were not appropriate to them."

A link was also provided to a site giving information on Paola's mother:

http://www.4-5graysinnsquare.co.uk/people/index.cfm?id=581

A peerage site lists the father as Count Louis Doimi de Frankopan Subic Zrinski while the eldest child Peter is listed as 'Prince' and the other 3 children (Paola being the youngest and only girl) have no titles.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p20558.htm#i205578

It all seems very confusing. 

[grandduchessella]

Ella - you might want to edit your post.  Having worked for the DT for several years, I know they are very much against reprinting their articles without permission.

I took it off and here's the link to the alt.talk.royalty site where it's printed.

http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.talk.royalty/browse_thread/thread/23588ecc4614533c/cd802aefba530b5b?lnk=raot&hl=nl

[TampaBay]

Sounds like she will fit in well with Princess Michaele.


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